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Quote Cassandra Replybullet Posted: 25 December 2007 at 4:55pm

PS.  Moderators:  Happy Eid to You all.  I thought a long time before I decided upon this segment of the Forum in which to post my "Peace on Earth and Good Will to All" message.

Personally, I consider Current Events" the right place.  In Spanish there is a difference between the verbs Ser and EstarEstar means "right now", whereas Ser is "Always": i.e. I think this is message for always perhaps more than "right now": i.e. it is "current".  I like to believe that my message is "Para Siempre", that is "for always" so move me if you wish.  It is just in the message of "Christmas" this is mine.


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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 26 December 2007 at 1:35am
Reality check Cassie: my constant Libran search for equilibrium between
my soft inside and my hardened protective outerlayer had me reeling
while reading your Christmas message. I don't want to rain on your
parade, the cynic in me has become a definite Scrooge.

I just want you and others who turn to these thoughts and wishes, in
today's complex world, to think hard how the Black Water operative,
sitting in his bunker, his 20 or so years of war hardened memories
garnered in Somalia/Congo/the jungles of Colombia, considers them...
watch the cynicism and utter hypocricy of the government representatives
shaking hands with their enemies, wonder why, in a supposed 2000 years
of history of Christianity the message of Jesus simply has reached a glass
ceiling, permeating only the 'lower crust' and never breaking through to
the 'upper crust' at least, never in any way more meaningful than on a
personal level.

I'm trying to point out that our desires to change the world are not new,
they are as eternal as your Peace and Goodwill to All message, and this
fact, its longevity and failure to materialise, makes me think there is
something wrong about our thinking, our expectations and our strategy.
Others, reaching my level of cynicism and hopelessness may reach for
the guerrilla warfare guidebook or strap an explosive device to
themselves and walk off with a different 'message', I tell you, I can fully
understand them. But I haven't reached that extreme. Instead, I have
been observing with a different 'angle', I ask myself, how come, in all the
years of outcry, all the years of promises and pledges, we still live with
the gaping wound that is Palestine in our midst? Why, despite
overwhelming opposition are we now into year 5 of the Iraqi occupation?
why, after the dot com bubble burst, after the housing collapse, after the
Enron scandal, are the people of Africa still third class citizens in their
own country? people say 'there's not the political will', but it seems to me
it is precisely the political will which is preventing the solutions from

I have come to the conclusion that 'They' are not st**id, that 'They' have
hundreds of advisers and thinkers sitting in their 'think tanks' who must
SURELY have had the same thought as me, or you, or anybody else, a
thought which touched on a solution, and so I wonder Why has this or
that not been done already? And this thought leads me to conclude that if
They are NOT as st**id as we are convinced, then something much worse
is happening: things are going just fine, thank you very much.

Please watch Naomi Wolf on YouTube, for an inkling of what The Powers
That Be are capable of.

That you or I, Angela, Whisper, SignReader Herjihad or any number of
anonymous people all around the world, regardless of culture, wish for
Peace and stability and the realisation of our ideals is perfectly normal,
and 'They' are happy for us to go on donating to the NGO's or forming
new ones, 'They' are happy for donations for rebuilding Gaza to come
flooding in, our generosity is boundless, just as theirs is constrained by
'Office'. There is an invisible demarcation line between 'Them' and the
rest of us, and unless and until that line is breached, all of the beautiful
children in the world shall grow up repeating our every step, and gaining
no more ground than we have since your beloved Ghandi placed a bare
foot on the dusty earth.

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Quote Cassandra Replybullet Posted: 29 December 2007 at 3:27pm
Duende: You missed my point.  Anyway, what would you have us all do?  Lay down and die....?
Sorry to quote myself but this is what I said:
We truly are ALL connected!  I believe this with all of my heart.

Laugh at me: I don't care.  I will never turn my back on my dreams for Humanity because what we share is far, far greater than what divides us, and we MUST overcome the compulsion to fall into the trap of Econotheism: if anything were the message of corruption, this surely must be it.

I also said it was a human evolutionary necessity. We are adolescents!  We have no idea what the future of humankind maybe other than our dreams for it. Neither you nor I know how the present will affect the far distant future anymore than the dinosaurs did.  Even from a so called Neo Pagan perspective, I have more respect for God than to claim that this is the way it will always be...

I was actually, tonight, looking for this quote: I always thought it was Chesterton, turns out, not...
"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door and the whole world will be clean"
 Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe.
Then I found this one:
St. Francis of Assisi

Make me an instrument of your peace;
Where there is hatred let me sow love;
Where there is injury pardon;
Where there is doubt faith;
Where there is despair hope;
Where there is darkness light;
Where there is sadness joy.

O Divine Master,
Grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console,
To be understood as to understand,
To be loved as to love,
For it is in giving that we receive,
It is in pardoning, that we are pardoned,
It is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Where there is charity and wisdom, there is neither fear nor ignorance.
Where there is patience and humility, there is neither anger nor vexation.
Where there is poverty and joy, there is neither greed nor avarice.
Where there is peace and meditation, there is neither anxiety nor doubt.

Lovely:  Me and Frankie - both needing a "Reality Check".  Oh well, the company is good.


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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 26 January 2008 at 12:06am

Study: Bushies Lied 935 Times to Sell Iraq Invasion

By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith, The Center for Public Integrity. Posted January 24, 2008.

Bush and his top officials waged a campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war.

It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.

In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.

President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).

The massive database at the heart of this project juxtaposes what President Bush and these seven top officials were saying for public consumption against what was known, or should have been known, on a day-to-day basis. This fully searchable database includes the public statements, drawn from both primary sources (such as official transcripts) and secondary sources (chiefly major news organizations) over the two years beginning on September 11, 2001. It also interlaces relevant information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches, and interviews.

Consider, for example, these false public statements made in the run-up to war:

  • On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
  • In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction -- an analysis that hadn't been done in years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the White House hadn't requested it.
  • In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
  • On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
  • On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase agreement "probably is a hoax."
  • On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human sources to which Powell referred had provided false information. One was an Iraqi con artist, code-named "Curveball," whom American intelligence officials were dubious about and in fact had never even spoken to. The other was an Al Qaeda detainee, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, who had reportedly been sent to Eqypt by the CIA and tortured and who later recanted the information he had provided. Libi told the CIA in January 2004 that he had "decided he would fabricate any information interrogators wanted in order to gain better treatment and avoid being handed over to [a foreign government]."
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 26 January 2008 at 12:08am
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The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the eve of the invasion.

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It was during those critical weeks in early 2003 that the president delivered his State of the Union address and Powell delivered his memorable U.N. presentation. For all 935 false statements, including when and where they occurred, go to the search page for this project; the methodology used for this analysis is explained here.

In addition to their patently false pronouncements, Bush and these seven top officials also made hundreds of other statements in the two years after 9/11 in which they implied that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or links to Al Qaeda. Other administration higher-ups, joined by Pentagon officials and Republican leaders in Congress, also routinely sounded false war alarms in the Washington echo chamber.

The cumulative effect of these false statements -- amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts -- was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war. Some journalists -- indeed, even some entire news organizations -- have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, "independent" validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq.

The "ground truth" of the Iraq war itself eventually forced the president to backpedal, albeit grudgingly. In a 2004 appearance on NBC's Meet the Press, for example, Bush acknowledged that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq. And on December 18, 2005, with his approval ratings on the decline, Bush told the nation in a Sunday-night address from the Oval Office: "It is true that Saddam Hussein had a history of pursuing and using weapons of mass destruction. It is true that he systematically concealed those programs, and blocked the work of U.N. weapons inspectors. It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong. As your president, I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq. Yet it was right to remove Saddam Hussein from power."

Bush stopped short, however, of admitting error or poor judgment; instead, his administration repeatedly attributed the stark disparity between its prewar public statements and the actual "ground truth" regarding the threat posed by Iraq to poor intelligence from a Who's Who of domestic agencies.

On the other hand, a growing number of critics, including a parade of former government officials, have publicly -- and in some cases vociferously -- accused the president and his inner circle of ignoring or distorting the available intelligence. In the end, these critics say, it was the calculated drumbeat of false information and public pronouncements that ultimately misled the American people and this nation's allies on their way to war.

Bush and the top officials of his administration have so far largely avoided the harsh, sustained glare of formal scrutiny about their personal responsibility for the litany of repeated, false statements in the run-up to the war in Iraq. There has been no congressional investigation, for example, into what exactly was going on inside the Bush White House in that period. Congressional oversight has focused almost entirely on the quality of the U.S. government's pre-war intelligence -- not the judgment, public statements, or public accountability of its highest officials. And, of course, only four of the officials -- Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz -- have testified before Congress about Iraq.

Short of such review, this project provides a heretofore unavailable framework for examining how the U.S. war in Iraq came to pass. Clearly, it calls into question the repeated assertions of Bush administration officials that they were the unwitting victims of bad intelligence.

Above all, the 935 false statements painstakingly presented here finally help to answer two all-too-familiar questions as they apply to Bush and his top advisers: What did they know, and when did they know it?

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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2008 at 8:19pm
Sign reader, since your posts from the 16 December 07, I'm wondering what have they got to do with Angela's plan ?
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Quote MAHDI Replybullet Posted: 02 February 2008 at 11:16am
everybody that the one of Iraq, is a false one of lies, and was the invasion by I refuel and control of the zone, everybody that all the controls and intelligence norteamerican has falseado all documents and tests. and that the killer May and terrorist of the world is the america United States. the unica form to be able to gain these terrorists of the world, is to be united people and to fight, and paises arabes tendran that to rise against their corrupt gobenantes, already is hour to fight but, that this does not walk forwards, for that reason we are enslaved of the United States the world, of the greater assassin and terrorist of history, bloodthirsty and thieves.
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Quote AiQadr Replybullet Posted: 08 September 2010 at 2:32am
Angela's plan sounds good. I hope it catches on. But, really. It depends on a modicum of good will that is nowhere present on the present political scene. Do you trust the World Bank to administer anything? (Read "Globalization and Its Discontents.") Besides, why on earth would the U.S. pull out? (Yeah, yeah. They pulled the "combat troops" out. They'll be right back as soon as the puppet there has a couple of strings break.) The U.S. Embassy complex there is the largest in the world. The country is positioning itself for the coming oil war and "popular sovereignty" be damned. Sorry.
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