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bullet Posted: 21 June 2006 at 3:55pm
Muslima,

You asked if I lose sleep over Palestinians. Yes I do. Literally.

Truth be told I haven't slept since 1976. I am one of only six soldiers that
survived my platoon - recently part of a sleep research program that
revealed that I wake up as often as one thousand times in the course of a
night.

My hands are clean. I interfered with at least one attack on palestinian
civilians by a soldier in my care that later turned his weapon on me and
then himself ending his own life and filling my nights with horrors that
may be as fresh tonight as they were when I was a 19 year old Cadet 30
years ago.
Keffer shmeffer we are all precious and the same. I can't hurt another
human being with out doing damage to my self. Neither can you. I believe
this is mentioned in the Quran.


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bullet Posted: 21 June 2006 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by Muslima

There is no need to wish for a Palestinian state, there is already one and it is being occupied.

 

Actually, the idea of a nation state is a modern notion that comes from the west. Historically, the land referred to as Palestine was never a nation.

Originally posted by M

I love Hamas like the majority of Muslims.

MashAllah, God Bless Them. They are our future!

This extremely ignorant statement speaks volumes about you and your credibility. I do not know why it is in the 20th century, Muslims have lost their fear of Gd and continually wish to represent the Muslim community.

Sr, you do not represent Islam, the path of the Prophet or the deen of Allh that he brought, not me, not any of the people I know, nor the majority of Muslims. It is obvious you have an extremely superficial understanding of the events occuring in the world, and it is a shame that you have found the path of Gd, but you allow your mind to be used and littered with the trash of secualr politics, and to give more fuel to the western media machine to help this Ummah look like blithering fools. If all you have to say are ignorant and fool hearted statements like this, then as I Muslim I beg you to hold your tongue, that way the rest of the world can always give you the benefit of doubt.

   

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bullet Posted: 21 June 2006 at 9:10pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Muslima,

You asked if I lose sleep over Palestinians. Yes I do. Literally.

Truth be told I haven't slept since 1976. I am one of only six soldiers that
survived my platoon - recently part of a sleep research program that
revealed that I wake up as often as one thousand times in the course of a
night.

My hands are clean. I interfered with at least one attack on palestinian
civilians by a soldier in my care that later turned his weapon on me and
then himself ending his own life and filling my nights with horrors that
may be as fresh tonight as they were when I was a 19 year old Cadet 30
years ago.
Keffer shmeffer we are all precious and the same. I can't hurt another
human being with out doing damage to my self. Neither can you. I believe
this is mentioned in the Quran.

Salaams, Shalom, peace Daniel.

I apologize for the seemingly, many ignorant statements that come out of the minds of some people who call themsleves Muslims. It should be recognized that the powers of the world have created a false dichotomy: You back the forces that have been labled as good, or those who have been labeled as bad. As a Muslim, I choose to pick neither parties, as I find the behavior of Zionists, and Arab pseudo-religous groups to be at the epitome of disgraceful.

I pray to Gd that the powers that be are shamed by Gd, and those who follow the true paths of our faiths, Jews and Muslims, learn to live with the common grounds between us.

I also know that many Jews do not recognize the secular state of Israel, as the diaspora has not been ended by Gd. There are always groups who wish to twist their faiths to rationaliz bad behavior, and ignorant, and/or angry people are never hard to find.

Daniel Saenz Wise



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bullet Posted: 21 June 2006 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by Muslima

Angela,

Please e-mail Daniel directly, we do not need to read this. This is a request that only concerns daniel and that you should have e-mailed him.

This thread should be for discussion not personal request to other members.

Please moderators, delete this request from here and ask Angela to e-mail daniel for any personal demand she has to make.

I think this is only fair to other members. otherwise, we will be starting doing the same as well and this forum will become like an online newspapers with adverts...

Thank you, salam,

Muslima

Actually, I do  not have a problem with the response. In the future, if you do not like the material being presented in a thread, and it is not violating any of the rules in an "obvious manner", the best thing to do would be to avoid making "fitnah", and avoid the thread all together.

Thank you for your help.

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bullet Posted: 21 June 2006 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by Andalus

Sr, you do not represent Islam, the path of the Prophet or the deen of Allh that he brought, not me, not any of the people I know, nor the majority of Muslims. It is obvious you have an extremely superficial understanding of the events occuring in the world, and it is a shame that you have found the path of Gd, but you allow your mind to be used and littered with the trash of secualr politics, and to give more fuel to the western media machine to help this Ummah look like blithering fools. If all you have to say are ignorant and fool hearted statements like this, then as I Muslim I beg you to hold your tongue, that way the rest of the world can always give you the benefit of doubt.


 


Andalus, I agree with you, 100%.
If hamas wants to do something then attack army or something, dont kill civilians.

Suicide attacks on Bus and firing rockets on Jewish civilians are giving Palestine issue a bad name, esp muslims.

Some of the people here (N.A) think that all the palestinians are terrorist, Do you know why? Because incidents like these give fodder to the media.

hamas could have played the right cards & showed the world that IDF are oppressing Palestinians, but they gave another reason to EU & western world to hate them by attacking civilians.



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bullet Posted: 22 June 2006 at 6:33am
The "dregs" of Israeli society High school drop outs juvenile delinquents
social service cases find their way into a special unit in army known as
the border police. No one volunteers for this service.

This unit has been used for at least the last two years that I know of to
join israeli and palestinian peaceful demonstrations dressed in civilian
clothes where they throw rocks at their own troops.

There is nothing more terrifying to the powers that be running my
country since 1995 than that of a non violent Palestinian movement.

I've spoken about this on american college campuses with Palestinian
activists since 1980. It attracts the very worst elements of Israeli society
right into the open. Militants and Freedom fighters achieve nothing but
prolonging the struggle and the suffering. Revenge in the end is at best
an empty and selfish venture. At the level of state revenge only serves its
target
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bullet Posted: 22 June 2006 at 6:40am

Still every single Israeli does the military service, This is a military state.

For me, this is not a state.

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bullet Posted: 22 June 2006 at 6:42am

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

The "dregs" of Israeli society High school drop outs juvenile delinquents
social service cases find their way into a special unit in army known as
the border police. No one volunteers for this service.

This unit has been used for at least the last two years that I know of to
join israeli and palestinian peaceful demonstrations dressed in civilian
clothes where they throw rocks at their own troops.

There is nothing more terrifying to the powers that be running my
country since 1995 than that of a non violent Palestinian movement.

I've spoken about this on american college campuses with Palestinian
activists since 1980. It attracts the very worst elements of Israeli society
right into the open. Militants and Freedom fighters achieve nothing but
prolonging the struggle and the suffering. Revenge in the end is at best
an empty and selfish venture. At the level of state revenge only serves its
target

Bismillah,

Thank you so much, Daniel, for sharing the truth with people who otherwise wouldn't believe it from someone else!

Would you like to try a sleep method that worked for me?  Get out a really boring topic and try to memorize it.  Now, you can use an interesting topic, and see how that works as well.  When I lived in Jordan and felt absolutely caged I would memorize languages -- not that I remember anything of it, and I kept a calculator by the bed and memorized multiplication.  You have to focus and act like it's really important and whenever you wake up, have a small light to reread what you were trying to learn when you dozed off. 

This would work for a while and it took a while to start working.  I'm sure you've tried biorhytmic feedback method, but I learned this from a friend and find this helpful with calming myself in all sorts of situations, including sleeplessness.

Peace and sweet dreams, ISA.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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bullet Posted: 22 June 2006 at 6:49am

Andalus, this is because of people like you and akm that our brothers are suffering.

Have you finished cleaning Daniel's shoes?

Mots of the Muslims support Hamas. Wake up! That is the truth and you know it!

I wil speak because this is a sin to say nothing when I think there is something wrong here. You are very well willing to help Israelis who simply suffer because they cannot sleep, than our brothers in Palestine.

HemdoulIleh, there is Hamas and Hezbollah and many more!

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Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacificists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII
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