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Quote Escobar Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2006 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by Angela

I'm not one of those who touts the US as the end all, be all.  But, honestly, if the US didn't have opportunities for the Black Americans, we wouldn't have so many wonderful immigrants to this country coming willingly in the thousands.  I've met some wonderful men and women from the Sudan, Ethiopia, South Africa and the Ivory Coast.  They came here for a variety of reasons, but all came here for the opportunities it gives them.

I think there is nothing wrong with teaching young black men to idolize King while not idolizing radical racist groups like the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers.

I wouldn't want my son to be taught to idolize the KKK as a Christian group with the best interests of their race involved.  I know this to be untrue.  There are many groups that claim to be the savior of their race.  But men of true dignity, education and conscience shine through.

The men like Kwame, obviously don't have that deep belief, or he would have stayed here and continued to fight for his people.  Instead he left and went to Africa.  In the end, what did he do for the kid in South Central LA.  What did he do for the poor boy in Louisiana?  Nothing.  That cannot be said about Malcom X, King, Douglas or Washington.  They all made lasting impacts.

The militant arm of any group always hurts the greater goals.  Look at the current situation with Islam.  Instead of people seeing the real face of Islam.  They are seeing these heretical groups that make up fatwas to show how their killing civilians and innocent is acceptible.  Instead of helping spread Islam, they are bringing more war and more hardships to the innocent followers of Islam.  Meanwhile, the more people the kill, the more hearts are hardened against the Message of Muhammed.  In the end, they have done more harm than good.

The same is with any group.  People are less likely to support a group if they are willing to kill anyone for not agreeing with them.  My Great Grandmother came to this country because soldiers came into the village and threatened everyone to submit.  When the people seemed reluctant, they drug a nun, into the street, raped her, cut off her breasts and left her to die.  The next day, knowing it was the last time he'd see her, my Great-great grandfather put her on a cart to Hamburg to board a ship and come to America where she would be safe.  Later, when the enemy came, I'm sure few in that village were willing to help those soldiers.

As for the UNCF, they are there to provide the ability for young men and women to get an education.  There are other programs and other ways.  Perhaps no education system is impartial.  No system is completely impartial.  But trying to improve the education systems in the inner cities is still better than killing white people in the suburbs.  The former will have a lasting effect.  The latter will only get those who extend the violence death sentences in a justice system already stacked against them.

Ok tell me this why do the immigrants come to america??Because of the desire economic and political strain back in their home countries that was created without a doubt by America and Europe!!  So in essence immigrant come to America and make it they become part of the system which is oppressing their peoples back home...

The Black Panthers were not racist at all...for u to say that shows u have little knowledge of what they taught...instead u have bought into the picture of the panthers in which the US media painted of the black panthers to try to discredit the group...

Dont disrespect Kwame Toure saying he didnt do anything!!!What did he do u ask???  He founded the A-APRP(All Afrikans peoples revolutionary party) and worked together with Kwame Nukruma and Sekou Toure  in futhering Afrikan Revolution...He also traveled around the world lecturing and other things...King, Malcolm, Doughlass, Kwame are all brothers in the same sturggle...and Kwame Toure has had a great lasting effect on the world and his organization the A-APRP continues....

Alright u admit the educational system isnt impartial...Therefore the educational system a means of futhering white supremecy...As i said before schooling is also a socialization process in children are taught and instilled in the politcal ideology, world view, religious doctrine, norms, of soceity....and when these values go against the well being of the people the educational system becomes means of the oppressive system...

So if ur "educating" someone in a way that is not benefiting themselves or their peoples but rather to benefit the oppressor...this is no education at all... 

Ignorrance is bliss!!!...ONCE again Kwame Toure never said anything to the effect of Go out and start killing white peoples...u should read before u make such presumptious accussations...thats just taking the easy way out...instead of actually examining and thinking on what his philosophies were u simple disregard him as a radical and racist which is far from the truth....

VIVA KWAME TOURE...MUERTE AL IMPERIALISM YANQUI

 



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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2006 at 8:19pm
Kwame Toure may have been a moral person but he was an athiest.

I would suggest the Prophet Muhummad as be a better role model regarding the role of struggle.

Escobar - when are you going to start informing us of Islam and mosques in Cuba?  This would be very interesting; Kwame Toure is old news to say the least.
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2006 at 8:31pm

http://www.purdue.edu/bcc/library/haytur.htm

Very interesting article on Kwame Toure, but it has a better view of his push for Pan Africanism.

DavidC,

I agree.  Communism is a corrupt form of government.  Its destructive and far more oppressive than most people understand.  The former Soviet Union and Soviet Bloc nations will be recovering for a very long time.

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Quote Escobar Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2006 at 11:17pm
Originally posted by Angela

http://www.purdue.edu/bcc/library/haytur.htm

Very interesting article on Kwame Toure, but it has a better view of his push for Pan Africanism.

DavidC,

I agree.  Communism is a corrupt form of government.  Its destructive and far more oppressive than most people understand.  The former Soviet Union and Soviet Bloc nations will be recovering for a very long time.

Once again stop taking the easy way out...its much easier to just simply disregard the guy by labelling him a "communist" as oppossed to critically examining his philosophies and ideas...

He was not a communist...he was for Afrikan socialism...since historically speaking before Europeans invaded Afrika...Afrikas economy is essense was socialistic...

What does the soviet Union have to do with this??  Yes communism is destructive but history has shown that capitalism has been far more destructive...CAPITALISM is destructive and so is communism...

Afrika, LAtin America, Carribean, Middle East, and Asia are all still recorvering and are still under the crushing clamp of capitalisms ugly face of colonialism, slavery, and exploitation....

communism is not a form of government either...rather its a system of distrubution & organization of labor and wealth...

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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2006 at 2:30am
OK fine.  Please tell us about Islam in Cuba.  We are all a twitter 
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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2006 at 2:31am

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Escobar - when are you going to start informing us of Islam and mosques in Cuba?  This would be very interesting;

Also i want to hear about Buena Vista Social Club,one of my Cuban friend sent their albums and! and!! and!!! they play music from their hearts,i admire their musics especially "Chan Chan" & "De Camino A La Vereda" & "El Carretero" and "Candera"...Wonderful Oldmen and Oldwomen,really making real music...

 

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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2006 at 6:30am

Bismillah,

Quoting from Sister Angela's article from Purdue:

He said that a black militant is a black person who is angry at white folks for keeping him out of their system. On the contrary, a black revolutionary is an angry black person who wants to tear down and destroy an entire system that is oppressing the people and replace it with a new system where the people can live like human beings.

From reading this article, I see much more about Ture than from the others I read.  Basically, he sought to reclaim black people's humanity and dignity by uniting them in one political entity called pan-Africanism, which means a united Africa for black people.  He stated that black people need to develop their own organizations rather than try to fit into organizations created by people who had oppressed them.  I see his path as a path to peace through self-realized, self-respect and dignity for black people.

I agree with Martin Luther King that we can learn to respect each other together and create new organizations which exclude no race and show respect and honor human dignity.  Yet reading this, I admire people who when they believe in something advocate it with all of their lives and souls to realize it.  He wanted respect and unity for people who have been terrorized and marginalized and he stood up for that ideal.  I haven't read anything about any violent demonstrations that he instigated or cooperated with.

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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote Escobar Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2006 at 9:12pm

KWAME WAS A BAD BROTHA!!!!

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