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   Nice responses but the problem here is when we talk about Patirotism we begin divulge into policy discussion-even if its just briefly. America is not made up of just policies it was actually created off ideals. That is why I am glad we have "The Declearation of Independence" unlike most countries we acknowledge that God has given all humans unalienables rights to the simple abstract truths of our existence. This is something I'm sure most humans wouldn't get in a majority Muslim dominated country. I love being American and I believe that a true patriot is not just someone who pickets and just speaks out against America or any country for that matter, but someone who believes in the ideals of that society and does whatever he/she can to change that society. The greatest patriot is someone who does not someone who sits and dreams.

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Israfil Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3984	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 10:23am
	Nice responses but the problem here is when we talk about Patirotism we begin divulge into policy discussion-even if its just briefly. America is not made up of just policies it was actually created off ideals. That is why I am glad we have "The Declearation of Independence" unlike most countries we acknowledge that God has given all humans unalienables rights to the simple abstract truths of our existence. This is something I'm sure most humans wouldn't get in a majority Muslim dominated country. I love being American and I believe that a true patriot is not just someone who pickets and just speaks out against America or any country for that matter, but someone who believes in the ideals of that society and does whatever he/she can to change that society. The greatest patriot is someone who does not someone who sits and dreams.
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amah Female Islam Moderator Group Joined: 18 March 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1334	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 10:50am
	Assalaamualaikum I agree with Fatima, I am loyal to my country but religion comes first. Remembered a hadith: from Muslim: It has been narrated on the authority of Umm Salama that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: In the near future there will be amirs and you will like their good deeds and dislike their bad deeds. One who sees through their bad deeds (and tries to prevent their repetition by his band or through his speech), is absolved from blame, but one who hates their bad deeds (in the heart of his heart, being unable to prevent their recurrence by his hand or his tongue), is (also) safe ( so far as God's wrath is concerned). But one who approves of their bad deeds and imitates them is spiritually ruined. People asked (the Holy Prophet): Shouldn't we fight against them? He replied: No, as long as they say their prayers. (Book #020, Hadith #4569)
	Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper). (Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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Islam knowledge Starter Joined: 26 April 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 3:11pm
	I agree, Allah always comes first. Edited by Islam knowledge
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Muslima Guest Group Joined: 10 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 562	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 3:38pm
	I agree with Fatima as well. fatima, did you see recently the way they came into a house and arrested 2 brothers who were completely innocent? They also hurt another family living next door. Without any explanation, the police came in and hurt them... I think Allah is always First!
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salman_s Guest Group Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 1289	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 10:19pm
	*Originally posted by Muslima* I think Allah is always First! you don't have 2 think sister Allah is The First and The Last
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ak_m_f Senior Member Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 10:38pm
	*Originally posted by salman_s* *Originally posted by Muslima* I think Allah is always First! you don't have 2 think sister Allah is The First and The Last And how this help this discussion? Muslima has aready said what you are posting.
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amah Female Islam Moderator Group Joined: 18 March 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1334	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 11:07pm
	When I read salman's post, I know it has to be followed by ak_m_f's post.....
	Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper). (Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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Mishmish Senior Member Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1694	Posted: 18 June 2006 at 11:12pm
	I think they are twins. Good and evil twins. Who just haven't worked out which is which yet. I will move this post to conspiracy theories if anyone wants to give input, or knows the truth...
	It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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