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Quote Israfil Replybullet Topic: The final Frontier
    Posted: 12 April 2005 at 4:21pm
It is possible for Muslims to say that within the Judaic-Christian
system lies the inevitable truth of God's influence upon the
adherents of both Judaism and Christianity. The spiritual
context which exist in the New Testament shows god's
consistent mercy upon the people in the time of Jesus and as
truth of this perhaps in his mercy God would sacrifice himself
(or uses a human subject) for the purpose of mercy. This being
the primordial basis for Christian thought leads Christians into
a more spiritual based life. Or how about the Jews and their
commandments? over 112 of those Jews must adhere to but
the prime understanding of such laws are meant for believers
to be ever mindful of God.

Or what about the Sikhs? The understanding of the Sikh
religion is for one to contemplate the nature and love of god
through the stories of Gurus told in the beatific sounds of hymns
in harmony. The same can be said about Hindus whose
millions of gods reflect the various aspects of God so long as
the believer apprehends them. Each belief in respect to their
spirituality holds some evident truth of God's mercy and
influence on culture. Of course in the mind of Muslims each
belief may not reflect the entire truth of God, but the truth is, is
that man cannot absolutely apprehend truth in itself.

Mankind can only apprehend so mucnh what the mental
capacity can hold and everything else is left for translation.
Even Muslims too, sometimes are "lost in translation." When we
speak of historical truth such statements are relevent.
Humankind has always struggles to know the truth and
soemtimes this struggule may lead others away from the
spiritual path to knowing truth. On this note the famous quote
can be made here: "All truth is God's truth." Is this correct?

I highly doubt it. because all truth which also encompasses the
denial of God is not related to the truth of God, but the fact that
one can freely make such a statement to say "there is no God"
is very much relevant to the spiritual laws that exist within the
monotheistic traditions. I believe each monotheistic and even
some polytheistic faiths represent to some small extent of truth
of God, and the adherents the examples of that truth. Of course
the adherents of faith not always uphold the principles of God
on a truthful and rightous basis, but all it takes are the ones
who are rightous, who are merciful and who are the ones that
sit and contemplate the laws of God as they should be thought
of.

I do believe that Islam as it is meant, is the assimilation of those
truths no matter how minute the principles may seem usually
reflect the spiritual truth--which is Islam. Islam is "God's truth" for
everything believer or noit, submits to something whether its
scientific or not. I see many Muslims here and abroad use
social and political issues to divide the Abrahamic faiths. but for
a solution I would like to see Muslims extend their faith and try
to bridge to other faiths regardless the difference for as we
Muslims believe Allah is the Lord of all creation whether his
creation rejects him or not because, to me, this is true
understanding.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 05 July 2005 at 2:43am

Great post brother

They are in fact just a continuation of one string of faith. All, even Hinduism in its actual essence, (if we just go past the practices set in by deviations of say something like over 4,000 years) and of course also Sikhism.

I was raised with a proper reading of Gita, Torah, Bible and then the Koran followed by the Garanth saheb - the Sikh book. I had to. For one my father was a real mad character who loved the entire universe and never followed any organised religion. Secondly, I needed to know and understand my followers better - they belong to all these strings.

I have loved loving and being loved by the entire universe since.

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Quote Community Replybullet Posted: 06 July 2005 at 9:53pm
I think it is a great post too, may i suggest to you to read "The way to peace in Jerusalem" which i posted on the middle east forum?
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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2005 at 1:03am
Yaar Community I have read that one. It still needs deciphering. Could you please mail me the code?
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Quote Khadija1021 Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2005 at 1:22pm

Assalamu Alaikum,

Originally posted by Whisper

Secondly, I needed to know and understand my followers better - they belong to all these strings.

Whisper, would you please clearly explain what you mean by "I needed to know and understand my followers better" from the above quote?  I could assume this means that you are some kind of leader and not simply that your want to understand the religions of this world, however, since I am not one for trying to make assumptions so freely, I would greatly appreciate it if you would clarify your statement.  Thank you!

PAZ, Khadija

Say: 'My prayer and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds. (Qur'an, 6:162)
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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2005 at 2:56pm

I would suggest to all to read the following article in view of brother Israfil's article. Probably he may also get some good food for thought for his book as well. Here is the link

http://www.islamicissues.info/essays/kzaheer/following%20isl am/religious_tolerance_an_islamic_perspective.html

 

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2005 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by Israfil

On this note the famous quote
can be made here: "All truth is God's truth." Is this correct?

I highly doubt it. because all truth which also encompasses the
denial of God is not related to the truth of God, but the fact that
one can freely make such a statement to say "there is no God"
is very much relevant to the spiritual laws that exist within the
monotheistic traditions.


Israfil - greetings.
If there is no truth that is outside of God - if God encompasses all truth - then there would be no truth that encompasses the denial of God and so the orginal statement, "All truth is God's truth" would hold.

Simply because I can say "there is no God" does not make it so.  Just because I can say "2 + 2 = 5" does not make it true.

That I can say these false things is a fact, a truth.  But the content of what I am saying is still false.
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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2005 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by Israfil

I believe each monotheistic and even
some polytheistic faiths represent to some small extent of truth
of God, and the adherents the examples of that truth. Of course
the adherents of faith not always uphold the principles of God
on a truthful and rightous basis, but all it takes are the ones
who are rightous, who are merciful and who are the ones that
sit and contemplate the laws of God as they should be thought
of.


Israfil - I think that beyond contemplating the laws of God, believers need to follow them (you are probably implying this.)  Following them involves actions and sometime involves sacrifice.


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