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This is totally illogical. Any christian should please explain to me why do you believe this; becasue it is mentioned in the Bible? What is the logic behind this.
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Quote zulqarnain Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 4:15am
How can any soul be responsible for the wrong of another soul? Islam says that every soul is reponsible for it's own actions.
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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 6:58am
The Jews at that time no longer believed in an afterlife. 

By dying and then coming back from the dead, Jesus proved that an afterlife exists.
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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 8:51am
Originally posted by zulqarnain

This is totally illogical. Any christian should please explain to me why do you believe this; becasue it is mentioned in the Bible? What is the logic behind this.

How can any soul be responsible for the wrong of another soul? Islam says that every soul is reponsible for it's own actions.



And Christians are responsible for their sins as well.

In the Old Testament you can find scriptures where one person's death atoned for the sins of another.

If you look at Isaiah 53, whether you believe it is referring to Jesus or not, you will see:

12. Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.

There are other verses I could offer.

http://www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/discuss18.html

The penalty for sins was death.  God setup the sacrificial system as atonement for sins.  Repentance, prayer and sacrifices all went together.

You can rely on the mercy of God that He will forgive your sins, but you have not assurance that He will do so.  We do not keep God's laws perfectly, we do not worship Him perfectly, we are human and we sin and there is no doubt about it.

I believe that God saw this and provided a way so that we all could live with Him in the thereafter and that was the sacrifice of Messiah Jesus.

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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 8:54am
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The Jews at that time no longer believed in an afterlife. 

By dying and then coming back from the dead, Jesus proved that an afterlife exists.


David, that is the only proof we have.  The risen Jesus is proof that we too will rise someday.  But what do you do when people deny that Jesus died much less rose from the dead?  What will God do?

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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 11:12am
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  But what do you do when people deny that Jesus died much less rose from the dead?  What will God do?


Jesus said disbelief in the Son could be forgiven as long as people cleave to the Will of God (the Holy Spirit).  I think most good Muslims probably satisfy this requirement.
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 11:18am

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Originally posted by AnnieTwo

  But what do you do when people deny that Jesus died much less rose from the dead?  What will God do?


Jesus said disbelief in the Son could be forgiven as long as people cleave to the Will of God (the Holy Spirit).  I think most good Muslims probably satisfy this requirement.

EXACTLY!  People spend too much time saying this or that group are going to Hell for disbelief.  Its all up to God whom he decides is worthy of heaven and who isn't.

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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 13 June 2006 at 11:53am
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Originally posted by AnnieTwo

  But what do you do when people deny that Jesus died much less rose from the dead?  What will God do?


Jesus said disbelief in the Son could be forgiven as long as people cleave to the Will of God (the Holy Spirit).  I think most good Muslims probably satisfy this requirement.


Please quote the Scripture because I disagree.

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