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Israfil
 
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bullet Topic: I’m going to Hell!
    Posted: 30 May 2006 at 9:06pm

The title is catchy isn't it?

Sister Mishmish gave 10 reasons why Fred should be Muslim. I can give 10 reasons why we should choose Islam for other reasons. Actually in one of those statements was eternal paradise. I as a Muslim even with reading the Qur'an and reading some of the Hadith can be clearly convinced that non-Muslims are doomed for Hell. Hell exist here in this world for some and some live their lives only knowing what they were raised with. for our religious envoys this is enough to proseltyze and convert people to their faith.

I am perhaps more "liberal" in the sense of this theological belief for I believe that God is the most knowledgable of all of creation. This is a reason why we call God a supernatural deity, because he can defy all rules of reality. One of the reasons why I don't defined Godn in the sense of attributing to him like "the Most this" "the most that" except through formal Islamic greetings is because we contradict ourselves everytime. The underline question can be ask: "If God is the most merciful why would he condemn an atheist man to hell?" Good question.

What if that atheist is suffering from a complexity which stem from greif of losing a loved one or a crisis of faith? There are some many mysterious variables why we believe why we believe and none of us should define them with our doctrines. I've had missionaries call me "son of the devil" I've had members here say my mother is going to hell because she was a Christian. We sure limit God. We limit God with doctrine, with words even with food.

Eternal Paradise is being closes to God as possible and feeling an untainted and undying love from something far greater than your own spiritual being.  God the artisan, is the judge of all beings in the universe and like Plato said :"True knowledge comes after death."

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 9:09pm

Plato said :"True knowledge comes after death."



I wonder how he came to this conclusion
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 9:27pm

Originally posted by ak_m_f


Plato said :"True knowledge comes after death."



I wonder how he came to this conclusion

Only one way to find out....

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by ak_m_f


Plato said :"True knowledge comes after death."



I wonder how he came to this conclusion


He said this from beyond the grave?
Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 9:40pm
Brother Israfil, where are your 10 reasons.....?
Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 11:58pm

Dear Israfil... Assalamulikum to you. 

May I quote your word 'The underline question can be ask: "If God is the most merciful why would he condemn an atheist man to hell?" Good question.'

My brother....In Islam there are no fundamentalists, liberal , secular Muslims etc....In Islam there are only Muslims who obey Allah and His messenger the prophet Muhammad. The call of Islam, which is the call of all the prophets and messengers of old, is fundamentally to bring an understanding of the Creator to mankind at large. It is a call to all people to worship their Creator and Master with knowledge, clarity and sincerity. It is the essence of the first part of the Muslim’s declaration of faith and the testimony of belief that if understood and declared sincerely, enters a person into the fold of Islam:

Laa ilaaha ill Allah
[There is nothing deserving of worship in truth except Allah]

The phrase laa ilaaha illa Allah is the acknowledgement and declaration of belief in a single, unique and unequalled deity Who is in no way dependent on anyone or anything else, and Who is the Creator and Master of all. It signifies the disavowal or negation of anything else that may possibly be worshipped in any way, shape or form and an affirmation that Allah is the only true deity and it is an expression of what Islam terms tawheed

In order to be a Muslim, that is, to surrender oneself to God, it is necessary to believe in the oneness of God, in the sense of His being the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher, etc. But this belief, later called Tawhid Ar-Rububiyyah, is not enough. Many of the idolators knew and believed that only the Supreme God could do all this. But this was not enough to make them Muslims. To tawhid ar-rububiyyah, one must add tawhid al-'uluhiyyah. That is, one acknowledges the fact that it is God alone who deserves to be worshipped, and thus abstains from worshipping any other thing or being.

             Having achieved this knowledge of the one true God, man should constantly have faith in Him, and should allow nothing to induce him to deny truth.

             When faith enters a person's heart, it causes certain mental states that result in certain actions. Taken together, these mental states and actions are the proof for the true faith. The Prophet said:“ Faith is that which resides firmly in the heart and which is proved by deeds”.

             Foremost among those mental stated is the feeling of gratitude towards God, which could be said to be the essence of ibada (worship).

Allah gives us a good brain, mind and freedom to decide whether we want to be a believer or non-believer and we will bear all the consequences of our choice.

The feeling of gratitude is so important that a non-believer is called 'kafir', which means 'one who denies a truth' and also 'one who is ungrateful'. Is it fair for Allah to send those non-believer to heaven after they have slandered, degraded, insulted or rejected Allah who has created them and give them life? Is it fair for Allah to send the non-believers to heaven after they have slandered, degraded, insulted or rejected the prophets who Allah sent to guide the non-believers to the true path of Allah?  Is it fair for Allah to send the non-believers to heaven after Allah has given them enough time to repent and worship Allah and follow His prophets? People will be held accountable for their deeds.

Quran 003: 056 
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran 003: 057 
"As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."

In Islam, it is precisely the belief within the heart of an individual that is most important and that belief should then also have a profound impact upon outward deeds. Muslims believe that people will be held accountable for their deeds. Ultimately however, it is the inner qualities that a person possesses that Muslims believe Allah will judge to determine their everlasting fate.

A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties He bestowed upon him, but being aware of the fact that his good deeds, whether mental or physical, are far from being commensurate with Divine favors, he is always anxious lest God should punish him, here or in the Hereafter. He, therefore, fears Him, surrenders himself to Him and serves Him with great humility. One cannot be in such a mental state without being almost all the time mindful of God. Remembering God is thus the life force of faith, without which it fades and withers away.

             The Qur'an tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by repeating the attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these attributes mentioned together in the following verses of the Qur'an:

“ He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God; there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise” (Quran 59:22-24).



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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 12:03am

Dear Israfil... Assalamulikum to you. 

May I quote your word 'The underline question can be ask: "If God is the most merciful why would he condemn an atheist man to hell?" Good question.'

Quran  Surah 55 - Al Rahman THE MOST GRACIOUS

055.001 (God) Most Gracious!

055.002 It is He Who has taught the Qur'an.

055.003 He has created man:

055.004 He has taught him speech (and intelligence).

055.005 The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed;

055.006 And the herbs and the trees - both (alike) bow in adoration.

055.007 And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice),

055.008 In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance.

055.009 So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.

055.010 It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:

055.011 Therein is fruit and date-palms, producing spathes (enclosing dates);

055.012 Also corn, with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder, and sweet-smelling plants.

055.013 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.014 He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery,

055.015 And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:

055.016 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.017 (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:

055.018 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.019 He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:

055.020 Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:

055.021 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.022 Out of them come Pearls and Coral:

055.023 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.024 And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas, lofty as mountains:

055.025 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.026 All that is on earth will perish:

055.027 But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.

055.028 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.029 Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine)!

055.030 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.031 Soon shall We settle your affairs, O both ye worlds!

055.032 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.033 O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!

055.034 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.035 On you will be sent (O ye evil ones twain!) a flame of fire (to burn) and a smoke (to choke): no defence will ye have:

055.036 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.037 When the sky is rent asunder, and it becomes red like ointment:

055.038 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.039 On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin.

055.040 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.041 (For) the sinners will be known by their marks: and they will be seized by their forelocks and their feet.

055.042 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.043 This is the Hell which the Sinners deny:

055.044 In its midst and in the midst of boiling hot water will they wander round!

055.045 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.046 But for such as fear the time when they will stand before (the Judgment Seat of) their Lord, there will be two Gardens-

055.047 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.048 Containing all kinds (of trees and delights);-

055.049 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.050 In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);

055.051 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.052 In them will be Fruits of every kind, two and two.

055.053 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.054 They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach).

055.055 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.056 In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-

055.057 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.058 Like unto Rubies and coral.

055.059 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.060 Is there any Reward for Good - other than Good?

055.061 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.062 And besides these two, there are two other Gardens,-

055.063 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.064 Dark-green in colour (from plentiful watering).

055.065 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.066 In them (each) will be two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:

055.067 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.068 In them will be Fruits, and dates and pomegranates:

055.069 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.070 In them will be fair (Companions), good, beautiful;-

055.071 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.072 Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-

055.073 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.074 Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-

055.075 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-

055.076 Reclining on green Cushions and rich Carpets of beauty.

055.077 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

055.078 Blessed be the name of thy Lord, full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 12:16am
...I love this Surah!....

Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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