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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 11:40am
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Originally posted by Angela

No, you do not do the same thing.....

You start off by saying Let me prove you wrong and then you just cut and paste. 

Besides, you've proven you cannot understand simple concepts like allegory, poetic prose and historical commentary.

Yes I don't understand simple concepts like  1 + 1 + 1 = 1. What kind of biblical mathematics is this? All I know is One means 1 not 3 ! I wonder why there are some so-called educated people who force themselves to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

Even children will say that 1+ 1 + 1 = 3 !



AbRah, it is not 1+1+1=3; it is 1x1x1=1
14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by AnnieTwo

Originally posted by AbRah2006

Originally posted by Angela

No, you do not do the same thing.....

You start off by saying Let me prove you wrong and then you just cut and paste. 

Besides, you've proven you cannot understand simple concepts like allegory, poetic prose and historical commentary.

Yes I don't understand simple concepts like  1 + 1 + 1 = 1. What kind of biblical mathematics is this? All I know is One means 1 not 3 ! I wonder why there are some so-called educated people who force themselves to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

Even children will say that 1+ 1 + 1 = 3 !



AbRah, it is not 1+1+1=3; it is 1x1x1=1

I've never seen the 1x1x1=3 analogy....nice comeback.  I may not agree entirely with Trinitarian Doctrine, but I applaud the creative comeback. 

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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 12:23pm
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Originally posted by AnnieTwo

Originally posted by AbRah2006

Originally posted by Angela

No, you do not do the same thing.....

You start off by saying Let me prove you wrong and then you just cut and paste. 

Besides, you've proven you cannot understand simple concepts like allegory, poetic prose and historical commentary.

Yes I don't understand simple concepts like  1 + 1 + 1 = 1. What kind of biblical mathematics is this? All I know is One means 1 not 3 ! I wonder why there are some so-called educated people who force themselves to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

Even children will say that 1+ 1 + 1 = 3 !



AbRah, it is not 1+1+1=3; it is 1x1x1=1

I've never seen the 1x1x1=3 analogy....nice comeback.  I may not agree entirely with Trinitarian Doctrine, but I applaud the creative comeback. 



This is how it is explained, Angela, and it is not creative. You can find explanations all over the web for the logic in the mathmatics.  1+1+1=3 is the Mormon view and not the view of Orthodox Christianity.

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 12:30pm

Sorry, just looked over my post it should be 1x1x1=1

But, your right about how we view things.  Which is why I laughed when AbRAh made his clain I couldn't do basic math. 

He doesn't understand Christianity enough to know there are completely differing viewpoints on it. 

But, this isn't a thread on the Trinitarian Doctrine, there are already a few in interfaith, I think for our own necks we should avoid making this one too.

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Quote AbRah2006 Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 2:27pm
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AbRah,

You seem to be incapable of understanding Christianity.

Originally posted by AbRah

My response: Jesus is not the son of God for God has no sons! Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace and bless upon them) said that God was ONE and ONLY so God has no sons and there are no other gods beside Him!

The "son of God" is a title for the Messiah.  In of itself it does not mean divinity.  God is ONE and ONLY God and there is no other God beside him.

What do you think Christians believe?  That God had sex with Mary and out popped a little god named Jesus?

Is that what the Qur'an says?

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Is that what you think George?  Why do you think Christians believe that God had sex with Mary? Is that what your Bible says George? Hey Georger why do you call Mary as Virgin Mary if you Bible says that she had married Joseph?

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 2:50pm
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Is that what you think George?  Why do you think Christians believe that God had sex with Mary? Is that what your Bible says George? Hey Georger why do you call Mary as Virgin Mary if you Bible says that she had married Joseph?

Because she was a Virgin and Betrothed to Joseph when she was given the Annunciation by Gabriel. 

Matthew 1:18-25

18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

 20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins."

 22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."

 24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

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Quote AbRah2006 Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 3:03pm
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In Christianity Christians worship Jesus as their God and at the same time they claim that Jesus is the son of God...What a silly statement!

AnnieTwo said: Christians worship only one God and that one God manifested Himself in Jesus. 

My response: If Christians worship God and God manifests Himself in Jesus that means Christians are worshiping Jesus and God so you worship two gods instead of ONE God and you are worshiping a man whose name is Jesus. Don't you remember how Paul call Jesus? He called Jesus as THE MAN Jesus and he did not call Jesus THE GOD Jesus! By worshiping a man you Christians are just like the pagans who worship men like the Emperor of Japan, Pharoah, Buddha etc. 

AnnieTwo said:  The Father and Son are of the same substance and that is why Jesus could say that when we look at him we see the Father.

My response: You are insulting your mind by saying such things to me!

How can you claim that the Son and the Father are of the same sunstance when Jesus is made of flesh and blood? How can Jesus say that when we look at him we see the Father when God Himself says that none is like Him (Isaiah 46:9) , God is not a man (Numbers 23:19 & 20 ) and Malachi 3:6, "I am the Lord; I change not."?

Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word "god," which can be made plural, as in "gods," or made feminine, as in "goddess." It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.

             The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing, and nothing is comparable to Him.

The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Qur'an, which is considered to be the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112, which reads:“ In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone”.

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 3:11pm
Gen. 1: 27 (Moses 2: 27) God created man in his own image.
Gen. 5: 1 God created man, in the likeness of God made he him.
Gen. 9: 6 in the image of God made he man.
Gen. 18: 33 Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing.
Gen. 32: 30 I have seen God face to face.
Ex. 24: 10 they saw the God of Israel, there was under his feet.
Ex. 31: 18 (Deut. 9: 10) written with the finger of God.
Ex. 33: 11 Lord spake unto Moses face to face.
Ex. 33: 23 thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not.
Num. 12: 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth.
Matt. 3: 17 a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son.
Matt. 4: 4 every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matt. 17: 5 a voice out of the cloud.
Luke 24: 39 for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 14: 9 he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
Acts 7: 56 the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Rom. 8: 29 predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son.
2 Cor. 4: 4 Christ, who is the image of God.
Philip. 2: 6 who, being in the form of God.
Philip. 3: 21 our vile body . . . fashioned like unto his glorious body.
Col. 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God.
Heb. 1: 3 the express image of his person.
James 3: 9 men which are made after the similitude of God.
1 Jn. 3: 2 when he shall appear, we shall be like him.
Rev. 22: 4 they shall see his face.
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