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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 6:29am

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"It depends on what you mean by "Trinity."" Have it your way.

OK, please define what Trinity means to you, in your own simple words, without quoting anyone. Thanks

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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 6:50am
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Annie,

"It depends on what you mean by "Trinity."" Have it your way.

OK, please define what Trinity means to you, in your own simple words, without quoting anyone. Thanks



"Trinity" to me means that God interacts with us through the Father and through the incarnate Word and through his Spirit.

It really is very simple.

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Quote AbRah2006 Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 8:04am

AnnieTwo's statement: "Trinity" to me means that God interacts with us through the Father and through the incarnate Word and through his Spirit.

It really is very simple.

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My response: Let us compare AnnieTwo's statement above with Paul's statement: 

In 1st Timothy, 2:5, Paul writes: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

AnnieTwo's statement: "Trinity" to me means that God interacts with us through the Father and through the incarnate Word and through his Spirit.

Clearly one of these people or both AnnieTwo and Paul are wrong , either way, it’s a contradiction.



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Quote Cyril Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 8:17am
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Not all scholars and historians of religions believe that the following elements have been borrowed by Christianism from paganism, but it is at the moment my opinion:

- the incarnation of God in a human being
- the death and resurrection of God
- the virgin birth
- the symbolic eating and drinking of God's blood and flesh
I do not list the Trinity as it is more a consequence of the first point than a complete borrowing.

Two more remarks: Jews, Christians and pagans lived side by side in Palestine at the time of the Roman occupation.
The Jews could perfectly well distinguish between what was biblical and what was from paganism. That is why most of them did not accept Christianism.



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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 8:22am
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AnnieTwo's statement: "Trinity" to me means that God interacts with us through the Father and through the incarnate Word and through his Spirit.

It really is very simple.

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My response: Let us compare AnnieTwo's statement above with Paul's statement: 

In 1st Timothy, 2:5, Paul writes: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

AnnieTwo's statement: "Trinity" to me means that God interacts with us through the Father and through the incarnate Word and through his Spirit.

Clearly one of these people or both AnnieTwo and Paul are wrong , either way, it’s a contradiction.



There is no contradiction between me and Paul.

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Quote AnnieTwo Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 8:25am
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Not all scholars and historians of religions believe that the following elements have been borrowed by Christianism from paganism, but it is at the moment my opinion:

- the incarnation of God in a human being
- the death and resurrection of God
- the virgin birth
- the symbolic eating and drinking of God's blood and flesh
I do not list the Trinity as it is more a consequence of the first point than a complete borrowing.

Two more remarks: Jews, Christians and pagans lived side by side in Palestine at the time of the Roman occupation.
The Jews could perfectly well distinguish between what was biblical and what was from paganism. That is why most of them did not accept Christianism.


Have you ever since a comparison such as this one?

http://www.carm.org/evidence/ot_nt_themes.htm

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Quote Cyril Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 8:32am
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I am sorry but I discuss only "man to man (or woman)" not with a link.


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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2006 at 8:43am

From Cyril,

"Two more remarks: Jews, Christians and pagans lived side by side in Palestine at the time of the Roman occupation.
The Jews could perfectly well distinguish between what was biblical and what was from paganism. That is why most of them did not accept Christianism."

Well said.

They also happened to know their Holy Scriptures well too.

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