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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 1:51am

Welcome, Aquinian

Thanks for giving up a better example instead of water, ice and vapour/steam.

The Primary Source is still the SUN. The light itself is invisble but illuminates when it falls on something and heat/warmth is felt when the light is obstructed. The light and heat are secondary results and they are nothing on their own. They need a source to propagate them.

I am a Muslim but I live in a place full of Buddhists and Zennists, also called Zen Buddhists. I am sure you have heard about Zen. They have a beautiful saying which I really admire and that is:

"If you want to enjoy the beauty and the sight of the lovely moon, you don't have to point a finger at it and no one has to look at your finger and then look at the moon. Just look direct and appreciate it's beauty. It is right there before your very own eyes."  

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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 4:55am
We sing a Buddist hymn in my church.  Amaze Zen Grace.
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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 4:59am
Originally posted by bmzsp

"If you want to enjoy the beauty and the sight of the lovely moon, you don't have to point a finger at it and no one has to look at your finger and then look at the moon. Just look direct and appreciate it's beauty. It is right there before your very own eyes."  

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We sing a Buddist hymn in my church.  Amaze Zen Grace.

 

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Quote Aquinian Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 5:13am
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The Primary Source is still the SUN. The light itself is invisble but illuminates when it falls on something and heat/warmth is felt when the light is obstructed. The light and heat are secondary results and they are nothing on their own. They need a source to propagate them.

You make a good point.

The Sun is a primary source of light/heat for the Earth.  I would argue that the light/heat that you feel from the Sun makes it what it is.  If you did not feel light or heat from the Sun, you would die, no?  "And by his stripes, we are healed."  :)

A guitar string is the primary source of the guitar string sound, but you would not hear anything if the result of the string was not a sound.  One could say that the sound is just as important as the string itself.

One might say that the Sun is necessarily warm and bright.  If it were not, it would no longer be the Sun.

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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 8:00am

David, David,

"We sing a Buddist hymn in my church.  Amaze Zen Grace."

That was absolutely a good one.  

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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 8:13am

Thanks for the understanding, Aquinian. It was a pleasure to have exchanged thoughts with you.

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2006 at 10:09am
Aquinias I know you and Bmzsp had squashed it but just to recap after reading your statement us Muslim philosophers are in no need to disprove the trinity and Jesus' divinity by using Quranic verses or even Biblical history and nature can disprove that my brother....But all in all We all Worship the Creator, the greatest Artisan!
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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2006 at 12:51am

 

This is an interesting article about the "Nicene Council" and some of the origins of some of the theories in Christian religions.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.h tm

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