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bullet Posted: 28 May 2006 at 10:28am
Originally posted by bmzsp



What a colorful post!  I will see if I can improve on it.

Annie,

The question is: Is the Bible the Word of God?

The entire Bible is not the word of God. All the books have been writen by narrators or authors. No one really knows even the surnames of the authors.

The entire Bible was written under the inspiration of God.  God asked men to write down their accounts.  You can find references to this in the Old Testament.  God allowed men to talk too.  The Bible is the Word of God.

The Bible contains The Old Testament and the New Testament. As the names imply, the OT of Christians, which is not theirs really, is old and it is clearly suggested that the New Testament is THE
TESTAMENT.

Oh but the Old Testament is ours.  The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old.

As a Muslim when I read the entire Bible, I can find the Torah parts scattered in the OT and the Injeel parts scattered in the NT. You must understand that Qur'aan does not use the term Bible at all. Yes, Qur'aan knew that the Jews and Christians had their Scriptures with them which they are still having. Qur'aan also knew well that that the Jews did not recognise the OT of the Christians as the Jews have their own Holy Scriptures. The Jewish Scriptures, of course do not have NT with them. Qur'aan knew that too.

I know that the Qur'an does not mention the word Bible.  Neither does the Bible.   The Qur'an mentions the Torah (Taurat?) and the Psalms and the Injeel (gospel).  I don't know what your point is that the Jews do not recognise the New Testament.  This is obvious.

It is not therefore right to say that the Bible is the Scripture for either the Jews or the Christians because one cannot believe in one part of the book while one denies the other part of the book. In this reagrd, it would have been a different matter if the bible had no OT and no NT and had remained the Bible in it's truest sense. One can find the words of God in the Bible but most of it are narrations and stories told by men.

The Bible including the Hebrew Scriptures is the Christian Holy Book.  As I mentioned above God asked men to write down the Scriptures.  The Qur'an too has words of men.

If two books form part of a Holy Scripture, both have to be fully functional and applicable. Even, your goodself is prejudiced with the OT and it's readings, which have been made redundant because you have an NT, while you use the OT only to find prophecies and satements to suit and justify purposes, prophecies and claims, which you don't have in the NT.

You are making quite a lot of assumptions here, BMZ.  I use the Old Testament to know about God, to know the history of the Jewish religion in order to discover the roots of the Christian religion.  The authors of the New Testament quote from 31 books of the Old Testament.  Jesus quoted from it.

It is as simple as that. If NT had fulfilled everything, people and learned men from various deserts and fertile lands,would not have been discussing Jesus and who he truly was, in Greek for almost four hundred years. Not just that, there is now a revival of that study by modern Western scholars themselves! Muslims just don't have any problem with Jesus. They are a happy lot as far as Jesus is concerned. Jesus is their Prophet.

Everything is not fulfilled in the New Testament.  There is more to come.  Christians don't have a problem with Yahshua either.  I'm not sure Jesus is the Muslim prophet.  Are you sure you have the right Jesus?



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bullet Posted: 28 May 2006 at 10:47am

AnnieTwo's statement: The entire Bible was written under the inspiration of God.  God asked men to write down their accounts.  You can find references to this in the Old Testament.  God allowed men to talk too.  The Bible is the Word of God.

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My response:

Lets us see whether the Bible is written under the inspiration of God:

1)God is seen and heard
         Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
  God is invisible and cannot be heard
         John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

2)God is tired and rests
         Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
   God is never tired and never rests
         Is 40:28

3)God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
         Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
   God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all     
        things
         Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

4)God knows the hearts of men
         Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
         Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
5)God is all powerful
         Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
   God is not all powerful
         Judg 1:19

Are those contradictory biblical verse above the Word Of God written under the inspiration of God?  God will never contradict His own Word because God is the All Wise so the Bible is not His Word. So who did corrupt the Bible into a lie? Answer: The keepers of the Bible!





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bullet Posted: 28 May 2006 at 11:16am
Originally posted by AbRah2006

AnnieTwo's statement: The entire Bible was written under the inspiration of God.  God asked men to write down their accounts.  You can find references to this in the Old Testament.  God allowed men to talk too.  The Bible is the Word of God.

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Lets us see whether the Bible is written under the inspiration of God:

1)God is seen and heard
         Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
  God is invisible and cannot be heard
         John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

2)God is tired and rests
         Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
   God is never tired and never rests
         Is 40:28

3)God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
         Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
   God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all     
        things
         Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

4)God knows the hearts of men
         Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
         Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
5)God is all powerful
         Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
   God is not all powerful
         Judg 1:19

Are those contradictory biblical verse above the Word Of God written under the inspiration of God?  God will never contradict His own Word because God is the All Wise so the Bible is not His Word. So who did corrupt the Bible into a lie? Answer: The keepers of the Bible!



Yes.  I think you have been told many times that you misinterpret scripture and you don't understand what you are reading.

We see many contradictions in the Qur'an too.  Could we, like you, be interpreting them wrong?
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Annie Two:

You keep saying you see many contradictions in the Quran. What are they?

I was a Christian for many years. I know the contradictions in the Bible. I know what Christianity teaches about the Trinity and the divine nature of Jesus. I know there is no true explanation for the Trinity or the belief in the Trinity since it was never spoken of in the Bible. Nor did Jesus ever claim to be God, nor was he called God by his followers or in the Bible. If you disagree with this, please bring forth the chapter and verse that states, clearly, God is a Trinity or Triune or that Jesus is God.

I have been a Muslim for 10 years, and I have yet to find a contradiction in the Quran. I did not just blindly accept Islam, nor was I born into it. I studied Islam. I am not an expert nor a scholar, but I no idiot either. I recognise a contradiction when I see one.

If you have anything from the Quran that you feel is contradictory, please bring it forward so that it can be explained.

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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bullet Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Mishmish

Annie Two:

You keep saying you see many contradictions in the Quran. What are they?

I was a Christian for many years. I know the contradictions in the Bible. I know what Christianity teaches about the Trinity and the divine nature of Jesus. I know there is no true explanation for the Trinity or the belief in the Trinity since it was never spoken of in the Bible. Nor did Jesus ever claim to be God, nor was he called God by his followers or in the Bible. If you disagree with this, please bring forth the chapter and verse that states, clearly, God is a Trinity or Triune or that Jesus is God.

I have been a Muslim for 10 years, and I have yet to find a contradiction in the Quran. I did not just blindly accept Islam, nor was I born into it. I studied Islam. I am not an expert nor a scholar, but I no idiot either. I recognise a contradiction when I see one.

If you have anything from the Quran that you feel is contradictory, please bring it forward so that it can be explained.



And I have been a Christian for many years and I see no contradictions in the Bible.  I chose Christianity and I did not chose it blindly.  And I am not an idiot either.   Now that we have that settled...

My point Mishmish is that the Christians have answers for what non-Christians see as contradictions in the Bible and Muslims have answers for what non-Muslims see as contradictions in the Qur'an.

I am a little dismayed that you as a Moderator would let the kind of posts posted by AbRah continue.  We must learn to ask questions of each other and making a big long list of "contradictions" along with rather insulting remarks is not the way to go.  These kinds of posts will not improve the relationship between Muslims and Christians and Jews.

You can google:  Contradictions in the Qur'an and come up with lists; the same way you can for the Bible.  If you haven't seen any of them, here are just a few that some say are contradictions in the Qur'an:

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

·         Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

·         Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

Sun-set and Sun-rise

The Quran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

·         Quran-18:86: Till, when he (the traveler Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

·         Quran- 18:90: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

There are serious scientific errors here. Firstly, it is a scientifically accepted fact that the Sun never goes down into a muddy spring.  Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away.”  It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second journey THE PLACE where it rises.

A Resting Place for the Sun?

·         Quran-36:38: And the Sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

·         Quran-36:39: And for the moon, We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shriveled palm leaf.

·         Quran-36:40: It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a great scientist. Where are the Sun and the moon situated?  Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other ? Are the Sun and moon neighbors to each other?  I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (through observations with the naked eye) the Sun and moon travelling from east to west seemingly in the same part of the sky and on the same path. Yet they did not collide and continued to cause day and night, etc.  Allah could hardly imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by the Sun’s rotation.  The Sun is stationary for Earth, because the Earth is stuck in the Sun’s Gravity, just as we are stuck in the Earth’ gravity. Allah never says anywhere in the whole Quran THAT THE EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel Earth’s rotation.

 A Resting Place for the Sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS (?)

·         Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does the Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle could say better. Then the Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the Sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon earth”.

Can anybody tell me what it is?  It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such a fairy-tale today.

 Why Allah created Stars: 

·         Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:

·         Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

·         Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

 Sky/Heaven is Nothing but A ROOF or Canopy over the Earth:

·         Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

·         Quran-31:10: He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

·         Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky ( heavens ) as roof (canopy) well guarded…

·         Quran-2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

 Modern science tells us- the Earth is entirely surrounded by space and there is no boundary even if we go billions of trillions of miles in any direction. The question is: If there is no sky above us then how in the world does the question of pillars come in?  Do we really have a roof above us?  Is there a canopy (Shamiaa’na) above the earth? In most Bengali translations of the Quran all Maulanas write: Allah akashke samiaana bannei-ese. 

The Quran  claims Allah gives rain from above! Ordinary People consider Allah as residing  in the sky above the earth. But in cosmological science there is no up or down, that is, earth revolves and there is no fixed above or below for the earth. Every direction in outer space can be up or down. Are mountains there to prevent the earth from shaking? Give me a break!

Once again Allah considered the sky as a roof over the earth which will break/be shattered during Doomsday

·         Quran-78::19: And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…

·         Quran-82:01: When the Sky is cleft asunder

·         Quran-69:16: And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will that day be flimsy(soft)

·         Quran-81: 2: When the stars fall, losing their luster.

Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: The beautiful blue sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as a roof, sky or any canopy over the earth, rather all around the Earth is limitless space.  Only Allah knows what will break/get shattered or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open - there are no walls, so where will doors come from?  In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.”

 Sun and Moon Rotates:

·         Quran-31: 29: Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the Sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.

·         Quran-21: 33: It is He who created the Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them swim (float) along in its own course.

Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again in almost every page of the Quran.  This is because Allah, standing in the open Arab desert, saw very well that every morning the SUN was rising from the east and gradually (at the appointed time) setting to the west, and as a result, day and night follow.  Allah actually shared this misconception (the Sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah speaks of the Sun & Moon, he referred to Day & Night, as if it is due to the Sun’s movement that day and night follows.  But surprisingly, all the hypocritical Mullahs give false credit to Allah by saying: Look, the Quran described the Sun’s movement 1400 years ago, which modern science only found out now.  In the real world, the Sun takes 225 million years to make just one complete circle through the galaxy.  And obviously this movement of the Sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth.  Actually, the Sun is stationary for the earth in a real sense, because the Earth is stuck in the giant gravitational force of the Sun.  The Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way that we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitational force and do not feel Earth’s movement at all. Why then, was Allah referring to the Sun’s movement again and again?  I have already mentioned above, why Allah was mistaken about the Sun’s movements.  Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming that this is science here. I wonder why Allah has to mention about the Sun’s 225 million year journey to tell about day and night?   What does the Sun’s movement have to do with the day and night?

Earth is Spread Out Like a Carpet (Flat)

·         Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;

·         Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

 Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

 Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female?

·         Quran-31:34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers….

 Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb?   Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.

Man is Created From Clotted blood?

·         Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the clot a little lump (fetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators.

(Bengali translations of the Quran read: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran)

·         Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

·         Quran-96:2: Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

A blood clot can not grow into anything.  This idea came from the Greeks.  Aristotle erroneously believed that humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. The Quran’s assertion on the clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood which is seen to emerge (much of which comes from the mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarriage. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.

Modern science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth, hence there are no hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described.  The Quran described 4 stages which matches exactly with Galenic description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

 Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. ___Moore of Canada____, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years.   So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statues (Moorthy) out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of a layman.

 Which one is correct?

·         Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion…. 

                   OR

·         Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

·         Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

·         Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

·         Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

·         Quran-8: 65: O Apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight…(against) unbelievers.

Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.

In Many Ayats Allah Claimed That, He Has Given the Quran in Easy and Clear Language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by ordinary Arabs.

 ·         Quran-44:58: Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed.

No matter which translation of the Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self-explanatory.  It does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigoted Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.

Comments:

The Holy Quran is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, a lack of chronologies or chapters, grammatical errors etc.  One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran and the above mentioned ayats are just selected samples from the Quran.

Mishmish, I edited out a sentence that I thought unacceptable for this site.  I am sure that the Muslims have answers to all of these "contradictions."

As I pointed out, the Christians have answers too.

Annie

Postscript:

I know there is no true explanation for the Trinity or the belief in the Trinity since it was never spoken of in the Bible. Nor did Jesus ever claim to be God, nor was he called God by his followers or in the Bible. If you disagree with this, please bring forth the chapter and verse that states, clearly, God is a Trinity or Triune or that Jesus is God.

I didn't say that I am a Trinitarian.  Yet I believe that Jesus was the manisfestation of God.  Jesus did make claims that only God could claim.  I believe what Jesus told me.  Jesus talked about the Father and he said he was the Son of God.  He claimed to be the Messiah and he said he was our Lord and Master.  He also talked about the Holy Spirit coming after him in the Gospel of John and that happened in the Book of Acts.  I don't have to believe in the Trinity, but I do believe what Jesus told me and what he commanded me to do.

Peter said in Acts 4:

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

These verses come from one of Jesus' closest Apostles, Peter.  Notice that he said that Jesus was crucified, God raised him from the dead and that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."


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Well judging by your mockery of Allah(SWT) you have shown your true colors in this post. But I will answer you anyway, as I hate to see mockery and ignorance go unanswered. By the way, when you cut and paste, it is generally accepted that you name the source.

 

Sky/Heaven is Nothing but A ROOF or Canopy over the Earth:

·         Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

·         Quran-31:10: He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

·         Quran-21: 32: And We have made the sky ( heavens ) as roof (canopy) well guarded…

·         Quran-2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

 Modern science tells us- the Earth is entirely surrounded by space and there is no boundary even if we go billions of trillions of miles in any direction. The question is: If there is no sky above us then how in the world does the question of pillars come in?  Do we really have a roof above us?  Is there a canopy (Shamiaa’na) above the earth? In most Bengali translations of the Quran all Maulanas write: Allah akashke samiaana bannei-ese. 

The Quran  claims Allah gives rain from above! Ordinary People consider Allah as residing  in the sky above the earth. But in cosmological science there is no up or down, that is, earth revolves and there is no fixed above or below for the earth. Every direction in outer space can be up or down. Are mountains there to prevent the earth from shaking? Give me a break!

As you can clearly see from this scientific article, modern science does indeed prove that the earth is surrounded by an envelope of gas, or canopy, called the atmosphere. Please read on... This atmosphere also traps moisture, causing it to rain from the sky above....

Earth's Atmosphere

The Earth is surrounded by a blanket of air, which we call the atmosphere. It reaches over 560 kilometers (348 miles) from the surface of the Earth, so we are only able to see what occurs fairly close to the ground. Early attempts at studying the nature of the atmosphere used clues from the weather, the beautiful multi-colored sunsets and sunrises, and the twinkling of stars. With the use of sensitive instruments from space, we are able to get a better view of the functioning of our atmosphere.

Life on Earth is supported by the atmosphere, solar energy, and our planet's magnetic fields. The atmosphere absorbs the energy from the Sun, recycles water and other chemicals, and works with the electrical and magnetic forces to provide a moderate climate. The atmosphere also protects us from high-energy radiation and the frigid vacuum of space.

The envelope of gas surrounding the Earth changes from the ground up. Four distinct layers have been identified using thermal characteristics (temperature changes), chemical composition, movement, and density.

Picture of atmosphere
layers

Troposphere

The troposphere starts at the Earth's surface and extends 8 to 14.5 kilometers high (5 to 9 miles). This part of the atmosphere is the most dense. As you climb higher in this layer, the temperature drops from about 17 to -52 degrees Celsius. Almost all weather is in this region. The tropopause separates the troposphere from the next layer. The tropopause and the troposphere are known as the lower atmosphere.

Stratosphere

The stratosphere starts just above the troposphere and extends to 50 kilometers (31 miles) high. Compared to the troposphere, this part of the atmosphere is dry and less dense. The temperature in this region increases gradually to -3 degrees Celsius, due to the absorbtion of ultraviolet radiation. The ozone layer, which absorbs and scatters the solar ultraviolet radiation, is in this layer. Ninety-nine percent of "air" is located in the troposphere and stratosphere. The stratopause separates the stratosphere from the next layer.

Mesosphere

The mesosphere starts just above the stratosphere and extends to 85 kilometers (53 miles) high. In this region, the temperatures again fall as low as -93 degrees Celsius as you increase in altitude. The chemicals are in an excited state, as they absorb energy from the Sun. The mesopause separates the mesophere from the thermosphere.

The regions of the stratosphere and the mesosphere, along with the stratopause and mesopause, are called the middle atmosphere by scientists. This area has been closely studied on the ATLAS Spacelab mission series.

Thermosphere

The thermosphere starts just above the mesosphere and extends to 600 kilometers (372 miles) high. The temperatures go up as you increase in altitude due to the Sun's energy. Temperatures in this region can go as high as 1,727 degrees Celsius. Chemical reactions occur much faster here than on the surface of the Earth. This layer is known as the upper atmosphere.

The upper and lower layers of the thermosphere will be studied more closely during the Tethered Satellite Mission (TSS-1R).

Composition of the Atmosphere

AtmosGraph.gif 6392 bytesThe atmosphere is primarily composed of Nitrogen (N2, 78%), Oxygen (O2, 21%), and Argon (Ar, 1%). A myriad of other very influential components are also present which include the water (H2O, 0 - 7%), "greenhouse" gases or Ozone (O, 0 - 0.01%), Carbon Dioxide (CO2, 0.01-0.1%),

Beyond the Atmosphere

The exosphere starts at the top to the thermosphere and continues until it merges with interplanetary gases, or space. In this region of the atmosphere, Hydrogen and Helium are the prime components and are only present at extremely low densities.

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         Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

·         Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science ? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven ? Does modern science tell us that ? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!"

Modern science tells us that men evolved from monkeys. How funny!!

I believe that this was abswered in my last post. there are indeed layers over us. Modern science has found six. but that does not exclude the existence of a seventh which has not been discovered yet.

I would think that in a logical chronological order, God would create the earth first, then add the atmosphere to the earth. The Heavens already existed. The Ayat states that God turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments. So God took what already exited and modified it to cover the earth: the atmosphere. You know, that thing that cause garavity and keeps us breathing....

Amazing that God explained this in such detail in the Quran before modern science even knew it existed.

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·         Quran-15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable;

·         Quran-78: 6-7: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

 Allah was sure that the Earth is flat like a carpet and that mountains are there to anchor the earth so that the Earth does not shake with us. Allah is really an excellent scientist.

Wide expanse does not mean flat.

I believe that the North and South Poles act as magnetic anchors to the earth, keeping it rotating on it's axis. In fact, these are the points where the earth's axis meets the earth's surface. Both poles are covered in mountains of ice. If the earth were to go off of it's axis, it would indeed shake.

Once again, truly amazing how Allah(SWT) explained this so well in the Quran.

 

 

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