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bullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 12:43pm
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That's not what I said.  I said they must have believed they could not control themselves.  My Church actually teaches that you should not alter your body.  You shouldn't get tattoos, extreme piercings, cosmetic surgery.....but we are talking about some men that HAD done it. 

What part of that don't you understand?  Is there some language barrier????

Commandments  (Fard, Halal.....)

Events....history, what was done, not necessarily correct....

These are two different things.

This passage is not talking about a commandment, just an phenomenon that was happening.

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But Matthew 19:12 is a part of the NT and Matthew 19:12 says that there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.....What does this mean? It means that they castrated themselves so that they can go to heaven! What will happen if everyman castrate himself? All mankind will vanish after 150 years!

Then aren't we glad it was just a phenomenon and not a commandment.

 

As for Ishmael vs Isaac, I will take the message of the story and leave the details to be argued over by those who need to argue details.

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bullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 1:21pm

Then aren't we glad it was just a phenomenon and not a commandment.

Amen!

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bullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by Angela

[QUOTE=AbRah2006][QUOTE=Angela]

That's not what I said.  I said they must have believed they could not control themselves.  My Church actually teaches that you should not alter your body.  You shouldn't get tattoos, extreme piercings, cosmetic surgery.....but we are talking about some men that HAD done it. 

Answer:Many Christians alter their bodies  eventhough your church fobids it. And the Christians make images for the churches and revere them eventhough the Bible forbids the making of images. The Christians consume pork eventhough the Bible forbids pork! What is happening to the Christians now?

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What part of that don't you understand?  Is there some language barrier????

Language barrier? Answer:No!

Commandments  (Fard, Halal.....)

Events....history, what was done, not necessarily correct....

These are two different things.

This passage is not talking about a commandment, just an phenomenon that was happening.

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But Matthew 19:12 is a part of the NT and Matthew 19:12 says that there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.....What does this mean? It means that they castrated themselves so that they can go to heaven! What will happen if everyman castrate himself? All mankind will vanish after 150 years!

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Then aren't we glad it was just a phenomenon and not a commandment.

Answer: Matthew 19:12 is a part of the NT and the NT belong to Christianity. Therefore castration is acceptable  to Christianity as a way to heaven as a means to avoid illicit sex but the eunuchs can still commit sins such as dishonour parents, committing murder, stealing, bearing false witness etc. I am lucky that Quran does not ask us Muslims to castrate oursellves. We will go to heaven if we Muslims obey God and His messenger the prophet Muhammad.

Please tell me about  the commandments of Christianity. Do you mean the Ten Commandments?

 



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bullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 10:36pm

Angela's statement: That's not what I said.  I said they must have believed they could not control themselves.  My Church actually teaches that you should not alter your body.  You shouldn't get tattoos, extreme piercings, cosmetic surgery.....but we are talking about some men that HAD done it. 

Answer:Many Christians alter their bodies  eventhough your church fobids it. And the Christians make images for the churches and revere them eventhough the Bible forbids the making of images. The Christians consume pork eventhough the Bible forbids pork! What is happening to the Christians now?

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Angela's statement: What part of that don't you understand?  Is there some language barrier????

Language barrier? Answer:No!

Angela's statement: Commandments  (Fard, Halal.....)

Events....history, what was done, not necessarily correct....

These are two different things.

This passage is not talking about a commandment, just an phenomenon that was happening.

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But Matthew 19:12 is a part of the NT and Matthew 19:12 says that there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.....What does this mean? It means that they castrated themselves so that they can go to heaven! What will happen if everyman castrate himself? All mankind will vanish after 150 years!

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Angela's statement: Then aren't we glad it was just a phenomenon and not a commandment.

Answer: Matthew 19:12 is a part of the NT and the NT belong to Christianity. Therefore castration is acceptable  to Christianity as a way to heaven as a means to avoid illicit sex but the eunuchs can still commit sins such as dishonour parents, committing murder, stealing, bearing false witness etc so castration is not means to heaven.

Islam has declared fornication (which by definition in Islam includes adultery) unlawful, and it goes to great lengths to make it repugnant by sanction and deterrent. It has even gone so far as to make any alliances of this type of unlawful sexual relationship a heinous sin and an odious offence. In other words, sexual relations of any kind, that fall outside of lawful marriage, are absolutely forbidden. For example: 

"Nor come nigh to adultery for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils)." [Qur'an 17:32]

In Islam we are not allowed to harm ourselves. Islam encourages us to marry to control our sexual urges .

One of the benefits of marriage is to be safe from the machinations of the devil and to satisfy lust and hence protect the private parts. The Prophet said: "If a man marries, half of his religion is saved. Fear God for the remaining half." The Prophet said: "Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry, and whoever is not able to marry, is recommended to fast, for fasting diminishes his sexual power." The pleasure which lies within sexual intercourse is an example of happiness in the afterlife. There is no benefit derived from a thing in which there is no pleasure.

"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts). Verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." [Qur'an 30:21] 

"And those who pray, "Our Lord! Grant unto us wives and offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes, and give us (the grace) to lead the righteous." [Qur'an 25:74] 

If we can't afford to marry, Islam asks us to fast to control our sexual urges. The Prophet said: "Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry, and whoever is not able to marry, is recommended to fast, for fasting diminishes his sexual power." If we can overcome our sexual urges then it will a big success to us and Allah will reward us for trying to control our sexual urges. 

 Castration is  not a way to heaven for it cannot stop you from committing other sins. We will go to heaven if we Muslims obey God and His messenger the prophet Muhammad.

 



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bullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 10:38pm

Angela...why are there so many errors and contradictions in the OT and NT?



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Angela's statement:Angela's statement: Then aren't we glad it was just a phenomenon and not a commandment.

Angela....Do you believe in the OT and NT? Do you believe that all the contents of the OT and NT are the Word of God?

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bullet Posted: 26 May 2006 at 9:48am

AbRah2006,

Yes, the Bible is the Word of God.  The Qur'an confirms the former revelations of God.

Just because you are unable to interpret Scriptures and find "inaccuracies" and "contradictions" does not mean that there are any.

BTW:  Remember the Surah in your Qur'an that says if you are in doubt that you should ask the Christians?  I think Allah means for you to listen to us.

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