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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 11:40am

Its the type of protests that are different AbRah. Of course the Muslims had a right to protest over the Cartoons, but burning embassies and killing people didn't solve anything. And I (a Christian) participated in the boycott of Dutch Goods. That was an appropriate response. Burning buildings, chanting death slogans and killing people in protest of something they did that you might disagree with are not appropriate responses.

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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 12:08pm

Originally posted by AbRah2006

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Why do the Christians protest and threaten to take actions against the Da Vinci Code? Why do you protest against the Da Vinci Code?So the Christians have rights to protest against it!

You'll need to ask an Evangelical Christian. I cannot speak for Evangelicals.

What about the Muslims? Do they have rights to protest against the cartoons and the media too? Have you ever thought why the Muslims protest against the media?

Of course they have the right to peaceful protest. Protest the color of the sky for all I care, just do it peacefully.

How do you feel if the media slander you worldwide?

The Middle Eastern media slanders me, my jewish wife and sons, and my country everyday. The difference is that I am mature enough and well enough adjusted to realize not everyone in the world has to like me. I do not despirately seek the approval or validation from those who do not believe what I believe. It is sufficient for me to practice my spirituality and ignore yours.

The difference between you and I AbRah is that I am comfortable with who I am. I don't care what others think about me. You do, despirately.

If you spent more time focusing on being a good Muslim than trying insure Muslims are always painted in the best possible light you would'nt need to rationalize so much unsavory behavior and project. Honestly, having read several of your offerings it seems you know more about what's wrong with Christians than what's good and right about Islam.

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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 12:31pm

An educated European was charged in the court by a Western government for saying that Holocaust did not exist so it seems to me the West does not practise the freedom of speech.

It is an irony that the publishers and artists of the cartoons are not charged with degrading and slandering the prophet Muhammad. The West says that it does charge the publishers and artis because it believes in freedom of speech and media freedom! >>>>The hypocrisy of the West!

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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 12:33pm

Abednego: I quite agree with you. If evangelical Christians were insecure about their beliefs they'd be rioting in the streets over the DaVinci Code movie. Instead, evangelical pastors are using this as an opportunity to address the issues raised by the movie from the pulpit. When one has the truth, one needn't get all out of joint about it and act out in a negative manner that only brings insults and laughter from the world.

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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 1:01pm

Originally posted by AbRah2006

An educated European was charged in the court by a Western government for saying that Holocaust did not exist so it seems to me the West does not practise the freedom of speech.

AbRah we were discussing the DiVinci code and Cartoons. Lol I mentioned my souse and sons are Jewish and you broad jump to Holocost denial. What are the odds? The conversation must have gotten uncomfortable for you. If I make you uncomfortable, just say so- I'll go talk to someone else.

The reason is simple. Certain European countries have legislatively (agreed among themselves) that denying the Holocaust is a crime. Here in the US it is a crime to make even joking threats against the President. It's not after the fact. You're comparing apples to oranges.

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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 1:53pm

I do not see what the fuss is about the Divinci Code because as a child I asked myself did Jesus have a wife, children a family.

Even if he had a family it probably would not change things very much, just some people would figure Christianity owes them an inheritance.

Jesus lived and breathed just like us why could he not have loved someone too?

He was intitled to a family too just like all the rest of us.

Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8

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Posted: 24 May 2006 at 8:51pm

amlhabibi,

From you: "I do not see what the fuss is about the Divinci Code because as a child I asked myself did Jesus have a wife, children a family.

Even if he had a family it probably would not change things very much, just some people would figure Christianity owes them an inheritance.

Jesus lived and breathed just like us why could he not have loved someone too?"

Correct observation and I am sure he must have had wife and children. It's just that no one reported that in the gospels. He was a conservative Jew. I have not heard of any celibate Jewish prophet.

BMZ

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Posted: 25 May 2006 at 2:32am

Angela's statement: And I (a Christian) participated in the boycott of Dutch Goods. That was an appropriate response.

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Dear Angela,

Thank you very much for protesting against the culprits who have slandered, degraded and insulted the prophet Muhammad the last messenger of God. I hope more Christians will protest against the publishers of the cartoons.

We Muslims believe that Jesus is a great prophet of Allah and we love and respect him very much. We will not degrade Jesus eventhough we Muslims and you Christians differ over the sonship of Jesus etc. We dislike anybody who degrade Jesus by whatever means for it is a big sin to degrade Jesus!

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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

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Angela Female Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2555	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 11:40am
	Its the type of protests that are different AbRah. Of course the Muslims had a right to protest over the Cartoons, but burning embassies and killing people didn't solve anything. And I (a Christian) participated in the boycott of Dutch Goods. That was an appropriate response. Burning buildings, chanting death slogans and killing people in protest of something they did that you might disagree with are not appropriate responses.
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Abednego Newbie Joined: 10 May 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 12:08pm
	*Originally posted by AbRah2006* My response to Abednego: Why do the Christians protest and threaten to take actions against the Da Vinci Code? Why do you protest against the Da Vinci Code?So the Christians have rights to protest against it! You'll need to ask an Evangelical Christian. I cannot speak for Evangelicals. What about the Muslims? Do they have rights to protest against the cartoons and the media too? Have you ever thought why the Muslims protest against the media? Of course they have the right to peaceful protest. Protest the color of the sky for all I care, just do it peacefully. How do you feel if the media slander you worldwide? The Middle Eastern media slanders me, my jewish wife and sons, and my country everyday. The difference is that I am mature enough and well enough adjusted to realize not everyone in the world has to like me. I do not despirately seek the approval or validation from those who do not believe what I believe. It is sufficient for me to practice my spirituality and ignore yours. The difference between you and I AbRah is that I am comfortable with who I am. I don't care what others think about me. You do, despirately. If you spent more time focusing on being a good Muslim than trying insure Muslims are always painted in the best possible light you would'nt need to rationalize so much unsavory behavior and project. Honestly, having read several of your offerings it seems you know more about what's wrong with Christians than what's good and right about Islam. Edited by Abednego
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AbRah2006 Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 354	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 12:31pm
	An educated European was charged in the court by a Western government for saying that Holocaust did not exist so it seems to me the West does not practise the freedom of speech. It is an irony that the publishers and artists of the cartoons are not charged with degrading and slandering the prophet Muhammad. The West says that it does charge the publishers and artis because it believes in freedom of speech and media freedom! >>>>The hypocrisy of the West! Edited by AbRah2006
	God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Miriam Guest Group Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 10	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 12:33pm
	Abednego: I quite agree with you. If evangelical Christians were insecure about their beliefs they'd be rioting in the streets over the DaVinci Code movie. Instead, evangelical pastors are using this as an opportunity to address the issues raised by the movie from the pulpit. When one has the truth, one needn't get all out of joint about it and act out in a negative manner that only brings insults and laughter from the world.
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Abednego Newbie Joined: 10 May 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 1:01pm
	*Originally posted by AbRah2006* An educated European was charged in the court by a Western government for saying that Holocaust did not exist so it seems to me the West does not practise the freedom of speech. It is an irony that the publishers and artists of the cartoons are not charged with degrading and slandering the prophet Muhammad. The West says that it does charge the publishers and artis because it believes in freedom of speech and media freedom! >>>>The hypocrisy of the West! AbRah we were discussing the DiVinci code and Cartoons. Lol I mentioned my souse and sons are Jewish and you broad jump to Holocost denial. What are the odds? The conversation must have gotten uncomfortable for you. If I make you uncomfortable, just say so- I'll go talk to someone else. The reason is simple. Certain European countries have legislatively (agreed among themselves) that denying the Holocaust is a crime. Here in the US it is a crime to make even joking threats against the President. It's not after the fact. You're comparing apples to oranges.
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amlhabibi2000 Guest Group Joined: 08 December 2004 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 447	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 1:53pm
	I do not see what the fuss is about the Divinci Code because as a child I asked myself did Jesus have a wife, children a family. Even if he had a family it probably would not change things very much, just some people would figure Christianity owes them an inheritance. Jesus lived and breathed just like us why could he not have loved someone too? He was intitled to a family too just like all the rest of us.
	Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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BMZ Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1852	Posted: 24 May 2006 at 8:51pm
	amlhabibi, From you: "I do not see what the fuss is about the Divinci Code because as a child I asked myself did Jesus have a wife, children a family. Even if he had a family it probably would not change things very much, just some people would figure Christianity owes them an inheritance. Jesus lived and breathed just like us why could he not have loved someone too?" Correct observation and I am sure he must have had wife and children. It's just that no one reported that in the gospels. He was a conservative Jew. I have not heard of any celibate Jewish prophet. BMZ
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AbRah2006 Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 354	Posted: 25 May 2006 at 2:32am
	Angela's statement: And I (a Christian) participated in the boycott of Dutch Goods. That was an appropriate response. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Dear Angela, Thank you very much for protesting against the culprits who have slandered, degraded and insulted the prophet Muhammad the last messenger of God. I hope more Christians will protest against the publishers of the cartoons. We Muslims believe that Jesus is a great prophet of Allah and we love and respect him very much. We will not degrade Jesus eventhough we Muslims and you Christians differ over the sonship of Jesus etc. We dislike anybody who degrade Jesus by whatever means for it is a big sin to degrade Jesus! Edited by AbRah2006
	God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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