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Quote Cyril Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2006 at 11:25pm
The Quran does not say the Gospels are lost. It says they have been corrupted. Besides it does not say Gospels in the plural, but uses a derived word Injiil which means something like "the Message of Jesus". Where that "Message of Jesus/Injiil" is to be found, that is the question.
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Quote AbRah2006 Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 5:01am
In Islam Jesus is God’s Word means that Jesus received injeel that contained the Word of God from God. Other prophets of God such as Moses and Muhammad received the Word of God in the form of the Torah and Quran respectively.

If you and other Christians claim that the OT and NT are the Word of God, then you are wrong for they contain so many errrors and contradictions.Would you attribute those errors to God and Jesus? If the Bible contained conflicting verses would you still consider it to be Holy and the Word of God? Most likely you will say of course not.

I will give you some examples of the corruption of the Bible to support my statement:

1)The God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40) and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).          ; ;  Question: Would you attribute those brutal teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

2)Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:  "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."  (Matthew 19:12 ASV)

Question: Why don't you Christians castrate yourselves so that you can go to heaven? Would you attribute those brutal teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

3)The Biblical Pornography"Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses." (Ezekiel 23: 19-21)

"and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions." (Ezekiel 23: 21, NRSV)Questions: why does God have to describe their adventures in such pornographic detail? Does God love porn?

What parent would want their children reading verse 21 about comparing the size of men's penises to donkey genitals and the sperm flow to that of horse issues?

As any adult religious parent might believe, such lustful descriptions, if culled from secular sources, would corrupt children should they happen to read them. Should it not also corrupt children if read from the Bible?

Would you attribute those pornographic teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

4)Eat Human Feces!

"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them." (Ezekiel 4:12-13)

Question: How many good Christians today realize that their God has coprophilic tendencies? Would you attribute this teaching to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

5)Eating Dung And Drinking Piss

"But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (II Kings 18:27)

Question: How many good Christians today realize that their God has coprophilic tendencies? Would you attribute this teaching to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

6)Boil and Eat Your Son

"And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)

Would you attribute this cannibalism to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

7)Howl And Strip Naked

"Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls." (Micah 1:8)

Question: Picture in your mind a religious man of today stripping and running around totally nude and prophesying in public, wailing and hooting at the top of his lungs. No doubt the police would snatch him up in a second while citizens stare in embarrassment. It just goes to show how far we have demeaned ourselves and our bodies as shameful. Would you attribute this teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

8)Raping And Killing

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Question: How some people who believe in an infallible Bible can accept these verses as God inspired, or morally uplifting can only give evidence to the blinding nature of belief. For if we believe these words as God inspired, then the killing of children and the raping of wives must also come as an inspiration from the Supreme Being. Would you attribute this brutal teaching to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

9) Christ taught non-resistance
          Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
         Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
          Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 
    

 10) Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
          Luke 12:4
         Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
          John 7:1

        Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 
 

11)Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
          Matt 5:1,2
         Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
          Luke 6:17,20

 Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

12)A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
          Matt 15:22
         It was a Greek woman who besought Him
          Mark 7:26

Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

13)Christ is equal with God
           John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
          Christ is not equal with God
           John 14:28/ Matt 24:36

Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

14) Jesus was all-powerful
           Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
          Jesus was not all-powerful
           Mark 6:5
Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

15) Christ's witness of himself is true.
           John 8:18,14
          Christ's witness of himself is not true.
           John 5:31
     Would you attribute this contradictory teachings to Allah(God) and Jesus? 

Are those Biblical contradictions and immorality above inspired by God? Would you attribute those errors to God and Jesus? If the Bible contained conflicting verses would you still consider it to be Holy and the Word of God?

Note: The earliest Gospel was written about 70 years after Jesus was gone so Jesus was not there to correct the contradictions and errors of the NT!

In Islam Jesus is a great prophet of God so he will not contradict his own words. After all Jesus had received the teachings from Allah (God) Who will never contradict His own Word for Allah is the All Wise. However Jesus' teachings were corrupted by the Christians!

The errors and contradictions of the Bible (the OT and NT) is the cause why Allah(God) sends the Holy Quran as His final revelation to all mankind through His last messenger the prophet Muhammad to replace the  Bible, Torah etc!

Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an: "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption) [Al-Qur’an 15:9].


God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Quote AbRah2006 Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2006 at 5:06am
Originally posted by Miriam

However, the Quran upholds the authority of Christian Scripture, and nowhere indicates that the Gospels, for instance, were lost:

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers. (5:47, MP)

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Answer: Surah 3 - Ali 'Imran - THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN

003.070 Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of God, of which ye are (Yourselves) witnesses?

003.071 Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?

003.072 A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back;

003.073 "And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of God: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the hand of God: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And God careth for all, and He knoweth all things."

003.074 For His Mercy He specially chooseth whom He pleaseth; for God is the Lord of bounties unbounded.

003.075 Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it.

003.076 Nay.- Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright,-verily God loves those who act aright.

003.077 As for those who sell the faith they owe to God and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter: Nor will God deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleans them (of sin): They shall have a grievous penalty.

003.078 There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from God," but it is not from God: It is they who tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it!

003.079 It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than God's": on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."

003.080 Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (To God in Islam)?

003.081 Behold! God took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an apostle, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." God said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

003.082 If any turn back after this, they are perverted transgressors.

003.083 Do they seek for other than the Religion of God?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.

003.084 Say: "We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to God do we bow our will (in Islam)."

003.085 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

003.086 How shall God Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Apostle was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but God guides not a people unjust.

003.087 Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of God, of His angels, and of all mankind;-

003.088 In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty be lightened, nor respite be (their lot);-

003.089 Except for those that repent (Even) after that, and make amends; for verily God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

003.090 But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.

003.091 As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers.

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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