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    Posted: 15 May 2006 at 10:25am
Allah the All Mighty and All Merciful God doesn't need any murders to forgive you. If you regret your sins and pray to Allah and beg for His forgiveness and mercy sincerely He will forgive you. Allah will not crucify any person to death for the sins of other persons for Allah is the All Merciful God.

Those that turn (to God) in repentance; that serve Him, and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the cause of God,: that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limit set by God;- (These do rejoice). So proclaim the glad tidings to the Believers. (Quran 9:112)

       "And your Lord is Most Forgiving, Owner of Mercy. Were He to call them to account for what they had earned then surely He would have hastened on their punishment. But they have their appointed time beyond which they will find no escape." ( Quran 18:58)

According to Islam Jesus was not crucified because Allah had saved him by  raising him up unto Himself.

Jesus here emphasized what will happen to him by specifically saying that he will be like Jonas in terms of the number of days and nights he will be in the heart of the earth, " For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40). Now let us see if this prophecy came to pass.

Jesus was crucified on Friday, this is certainly known among all Christians, and that is the reason for calling that Friday by "Good Friday". Jesus was buried on Friday night. Now let us start counting:


1. Friday night Jesus was buried. This is night number 1.
2. Saturday day Jesus was still in the grave. This is day number 1.
3. Saturday night Jesus was still in the grave. This is night number 2.


Mary Magdalene, very early in the morning before sun rise and after the Sabbath (Saturday), went to the see Jesus, and he was not there. The following verses relate this event:


* Mark 16:1 " And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him".

* Mark 16:2 " And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun".

* Mark 16:3 " And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?"

* Mark 16:4 " And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great".

* Mark 16:5 " And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted".

* Mark 16:6 " And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him".

The number of days and nights that Jesus had spent in the heart of the earth is 1 day and 2 nights. This clearly challenges what Jesus had prophesied.  

If the crucifixion of Jesus is true, why did the authors of the Gospels contradict one another?

Mark was the first writer to record the crucifixion, yet he was NOT an eye-witness!“The author of Mark, the earliest of the narrative gospels, was not an eyewitness: he is reporting information conveyed to him by a third person or persons, who themselves were quite possible not eye-witnesses” (Robert Walter Funk, The Jesus Seminar: The Acts of Jesus, p. 4)

 Moreover, the Gospels are anonymous documents, totally unreliable. None of them originate from eye-witness sources.

Did the disciples of Jesus witness the so-called 'crucifixion of Jesus' ? All the disciples of Jesus forsook him, and fled before 'crucifixion of Jesus' so they did not witness the so-called 'crucifixion of Jesus' (Matthew 26:56)!

 The NT confirms that only Peter witnessed the crucifixion. Was Peter a reliable witness of the so-called 'crucifixion of Jesus'? Peter lied to save his skin by saying that he did not know Jesus so Peter was not a reliable witness!>> Matthew 26:73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
Matthew 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
Matthew 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

    Why does  the Bible contradict itself by making contradictory statements about the so-called crucifixion of Jesus if the crucifixion had really happened? The contradictory statements of the Bible have proven that the crucifixion of Jesus is a lie:

(1)Christ was crucified at the third hour
          Mark 15:25
         Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
          John 19:14,15
(2)Christ was to be three days and three nights in the   grave Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
          Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9

(3)Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights.  Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days!

(4)In Luke 23:43 Jesus said to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."  This obviously has to be false, for Jesus was supposed to lay dead in the tomb for three days following his crucifixion.

(5)Jesus commands the disciples to go into Galilee immediately after the resurrection. Matthew 28:10. Jesus commands the disciples to "tarry in Jerusalem" immediately after the resurrection.(Luke 24:49)

(6)Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at  JerusalemLuke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19.
         Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee Matt 28:16,17

(7) The Bible contradicts itself by saying:(a) Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree.

(b)Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

(c)Matthew 27:41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
Matthew27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

 Question: How could Jesus die at two different places (the tree and the cross) at the same time?

8. The Christians claim that Jesus was crucified for their sins but the Bible refutes their false claim by saying that Christians are sinless 1 John 3: 9,6,8

9. The Christians claim that Jesus was resurrected after he was crucified but the Bible refutes their claim by saying that there is to be no resurrection of the dead
           Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14

10. Let us read this verse 'Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and
the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified. (
Matthew 26:2)'. If anyone believes his prediction in Matt 26:2,  then Jesus must have known of his upcoming crucifixion. As we all know that Christians claim that Jesus is God. If Jesus equals a god, then he could not have sacrificed his life, simply because an infinite god cannot die. If Jesus died as just a man, then he committed what we would today call suicide.

The contradictory statements of the Bible concerning the so-called 'crucifixion of Jesus' have proven that the crucifixion of Jesus is a lie.Would you attribute those errors to God and Jesus? If the Bible contained conflicting verses would you still consider it to be Holy? Will you accept its contradictory statements to prove that Jesus was crucified to death? Most likely you will say of course not.


The contradictions of the Bible have invalidated the crucifixion of Jesus so the crucifixion of Jesus is a lie!Jesus was not crucified because Allah had saved him so who was crucified?

Even though Judas knew full well that Jesus was a prophet of God, still, he conspired to kill him. Allah punishes severely those that betray him. Allah punished him by making him look like Jesus. The Romans and Jews, who had long since been conspiring to kill Jesus, killed Judas, who looked like Jesus. This theory is supported by parts of the Bible itself.

In the Bible, Jesus says "God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus would never have said this if he was the son of God coming down to die for everybody's sin, as Christians believe. No, it was Judas who asked this question. Also, in the Bible the person on the cross called Mary "Women!" when he sees her. Obviously, this was not Jesus, because Jesus would never call his mother such a disrespectful name. No, instead, this person was Judas.

Judas identified as the betrayer- Mat 26:21-25, Mark 14:18-21, Luke 22:21-23, John 13:21-30.

This is written in much more clear detail in the Gospel of Barnabas:216 Judas Transformed http://www.barnabas.net/

Judas entered impetuously before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up. And the disciples were sleeping. Whereupon the wonderful God acted wonderfully, insomuch that Judas was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus that we believed him to be Jesus. And he, having awakened us, was seeking where the Master was. Whereupon we marvelled, and answered: 'You, Lord, are our master; have you now forgotten us?'

And he, smiling, said: 'Now are you foolish, that know not me to be Judas Iscariot!' And as he was saying this the soldiery entered, and laid their hands upon Judas, because he was in every way like to Jesus. We having heard Judas' saying, and seeing the multitude of soldiers, fled as beside ourselves. And John, who was wrapped in a linen cloth, awoke and fled, and when a soldier seized him by the linen cloth he left the linen cloth and fled naked. For God heard the prayer of Jesus, and saved the eleven from evil.' 216 Judas Transformed (The Gospel of Barnabas).

Important note: The Gospels contradict one another about the death of Judas...Judas hanged himself (Matthew 27:5 ) ....Judas fell down and died (Acts 1:18 )....How could the same Judas die twice? Was he resurrected too?  The Gospels are hiding something that may expose the crufixion of Jesus as a lie! Judas was the one who was crucified to death for God made him to look like Jesus ...The traitor deserved the execution for betraying Jesus!

Conclusion: Jesus was not crucified for Allah  the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate had saved him. It was Judas who looked like Jesus was crucifed to death : That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-  Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-  And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;- (Quran 4:157-158)

 

 

 

 

 

 



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bullet Posted: 15 May 2006 at 10:57am

Regarding this statement:

"(3)Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights.  Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days!"

If you look in any fundamentalist Sunday School material, you will find that many evangelical Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday (the day of preparation), not Friday - and that he arose on Sunday.  Three days and three nights.

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bullet Posted: 15 May 2006 at 11:32am
My response to Alibaba's statement:

If you look in any fundamentalist Sunday School material, you will find that many evangelical Christians believe that Jesus was crucified on Wednesday (the day of preparation), not Friday - and that he arose on Sunday.  Three days and three nights.

 

According to the Gospels, Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday, the first day of the week`, which was the third day since His trial, death and burial (Luke 24:21).

Sunday, as we have seen, actually began at sunset on Saturday evening, and by Jewish reckoning any part of day is counted as a day. So working backwards:

  • Sunday, was the third day, the day of the resurrection.
  • Saturday (Sabbath) was the second day that Christ rested in the tomb.
  • Friday (Preparation day) was the first day, the day of the crucifixion.

Note that in Luke 24:18 - 21, the events of the three days begin with the arrest and trial of Jesus, not with His burial!

Jesus was crucified on Friday and died at 3 p.m. He rose from the dead somewhere between Saturday after sunset and sunrise on Sunday morning. There is absolutely no way to push the crucifixion back to Wednesday and fit scripture. A Wednesday crucifixion is clearly impossible.

Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights.  Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only one and a half days! This contradiction has proven that the crucifixion of Jesus is a hoax!

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bullet Posted: 15 May 2006 at 12:32pm

Wednesday evening to Thursday evening - 1 day

Thursday evening to Friday evening - day two

Friday evening to Saturday evening - day three

Sunday morning - the Resurrection

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bullet Posted: 15 May 2006 at 12:59pm

AbRah2006,

 

You do very poor homework, my friend.  Here are some links that may help you with your questions and any further questions:

 

http://www.tektonics.org/harmonize/greenharmony.htm

 

http://www.peterballard.org/easter.html

 

There are lots of links on each of these sites.

 

About the sign of Jonah/three days and stuff, suggest that you google: What indeed was the sign of Jonah? and read along.

 

Maybe you should ask questions, one at a time, please; instead of making allegations?

 

Thanks.

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My response to Alibaba

Wednesday evening to Thursday evening - 1 day

Thursday evening to Friday evening - day two

Friday evening to Saturday evening - day three

Sunday morning - the Resurrection

 

According to your calculation,  Jesus was resurrected on the 4th day not on the 3rd day! This is against the Gospels ! Once again I say that the crucifixion of Jesus is a hoax!

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bullet Posted: 15 May 2006 at 1:06pm

My response to George 'You do very poor homework, my friend'

Hey George ... it seems to me that you are the one who do very poor homework for you dare not refute all the Biblical verses that I use to prove that the crucifixion of Jesus is a hoax! Why don't you refute all the Biblical verses to prove that you are right? I dare you to refute all the contradictions of the Bible!



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bullet Posted: 15 May 2006 at 1:47pm

No, Jesus appeared at the very beginning of Sunday, at the end of his third night in the tomb, to His disciples amd the women.  There were two sabbaths in that particular week, and one day of preparation.  But, in any case, since you think it's all a "hoax" why even bother answering your query. What if I said the existence of Mohammed is a hoax.

In any case, the very fact that His disciples were empowered to go forth and preach His gospel, making Christianity the greatest religious movement the world has ever witnessed, proves to your dismay, that this was not a hoax.

For further information (for those that do not believe it is a hoax):

http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/3days3nig hts.html

 

 



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