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Posted: 30 April 2006 at 12:11am

I have a really SIMPLE answer to fredi's topic. If you judge religion from it's sources, then you'll get the right picture. e.g If I say, SOME, not all priests, are involved in homosexuality, I would think that Christianity teaches it. It is a wrong approach. Simlarly, In Pakistan, there was a survey, that 37 or 38% of the Imams were involved in child molestation, does that mean Islam teaches that???

Similarly, if there are such strict rules made by the Muslim Government of Malaysia, does that mean Islam is so strict

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Posted: 30 April 2006 at 1:00pm

zul - i quite understand what youre saying here, its just that i think you and others in these forums are really swimming against the tide on these issues. the taleban was also famed for trolling the streets at prayer times, forcing people into the mosque

for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16

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Posted: 30 April 2006 at 8:16pm

Fred: If the right wing evangelical Christians have their way, abortion will be outlawed, thus compelling pregnant women to have the baby, or break the law.

I do not agree with abortion, but I do not agree with forcing someone to have a baby that they do not want either. That should be their choice and no-one should compel them to do anything. Especially in a society where there is supposed to be freedom of religion. Just because the evangelicals do not believe in abortion doesn't mean that others do not.

This is not only compulsion in religion, it is compulsion in a religion that you might not even believe in. At least the Muslims in the article are trying to compel other Muslims. They aren't telling Christians or Buddhists or Atheists they have to go to Friday prayer.

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Posted: 30 April 2006 at 8:45pm

We are are compelled in one way or another.

Bush is compelled to turn the Middle East into a quagmire, literally using compulsion to try to force his ideals onto another country.

Christians in this country are compelled to try to force people to bear children, hate homosexuals, and read the ten Commandments in public places.

Fred is compelled to pick up any and every little nitpicky thing he can about Islam and trot it onto this forum for us to read, and, unfortunately, we are compelled to answer him. Even though we KNOW it won't make a difference.

I guess compulsion of one sort or another is everywhere....

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)

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Posted: 30 April 2006 at 11:13pm

Fredi, the Taliban WERE ignorant in some ways, the Muslim men HAD to keep a beard under their rule. It's just that you can't blame religion for what the followers do. If you want to judge religion, study the sources

And We have not sent you(O Muhammad!) but as a mercy to the worlds. (Al-Quran 21: 107)

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Posted: 01 May 2006 at 3:30am

well you see, zul, when i pointed out the sources in the hadith and shariah law, as i did recently in the matter of the death penalty for apostates, i was told the sources were not valid. but millions upon millions of muslims think they are. it would appear that certain muslims in these forums think that sunnah is not applicable (i appreciate that this may not apply to jailing or fining people for not going to the mosque, i have not said there was a source in islamic scriptures for this) ----also when i posted the letter from muhammad to the rulers of oman, along with its translation (both of which are on display in oman, and the letter proves that muhammad forced the omanis to convert to islam), i was told that the translation was not correct. but noone could supply the correct translation

for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16

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Posted: 01 May 2006 at 4:07am

Please post me the same letter if you have a photocopy!!

And We have not sent you(O Muhammad!) but as a mercy to the worlds. (Al-Quran 21: 107)

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Posted: 01 May 2006 at 5:08am

zul - youll find the pictures on this page:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3751& ;PN=3&TPN=32

for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16

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zulqarnain Groupie Joined: 24 April 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Posted: 30 April 2006 at 12:11am
	I have a really SIMPLE answer to fredi's topic. If you judge religion from it's sources, then you'll get the right picture. e.g If I say, SOME, not all priests, are involved in homosexuality, I would think that Christianity teaches it. It is a wrong approach. Simlarly, In Pakistan, there was a survey, that 37 or 38% of the Imams were involved in child molestation, does that mean Islam teaches that??? Similarly, if there are such strict rules made by the Muslim Government of Malaysia, does that mean Islam is so strict
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fredifreeloader Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 456	Posted: 30 April 2006 at 1:00pm
	*zul* - i quite understand what youre saying here, its just that i think you and others in these forums are really swimming against the tide on these issues. the taleban was also famed for trolling the streets at prayer times, forcing people into the mosque
	for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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Mishmish Senior Member Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1694	Posted: 30 April 2006 at 8:16pm
	Fred: If the right wing evangelical Christians have their way, abortion will be outlawed, thus compelling pregnant women to have the baby, or break the law. I do not agree with abortion, but I do not agree with forcing someone to have a baby that they do not want either. That should be their choice and no-one should compel them to do anything. Especially in a society where there is supposed to be freedom of religion. Just because the evangelicals do not believe in abortion doesn't mean that others do not. This is not only compulsion in religion, it is compulsion in a religion that you might not even believe in. At least the Muslims in the article are trying to compel other Muslims. They aren't telling Christians or Buddhists or Atheists they have to go to Friday prayer. Edited by Mishmish
	It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Mishmish Senior Member Joined: 01 November 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1694	Posted: 30 April 2006 at 8:45pm
	We are are compelled in one way or another. Bush is compelled to turn the Middle East into a quagmire, literally using compulsion to try to force his ideals onto another country. Christians in this country are compelled to try to force people to bear children, hate homosexuals, and read the ten Commandments in public places. Fred is compelled to pick up any and every little nitpicky thing he can about Islam and trot it onto this forum for us to read, and, unfortunately, we are compelled to answer him. Even though we KNOW it won't make a difference. I guess compulsion of one sort or another is everywhere....
	It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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zulqarnain Groupie Joined: 24 April 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Posted: 30 April 2006 at 11:13pm
	Fredi, the Taliban WERE ignorant in some ways, the Muslim men HAD to keep a beard under their rule. It's just that you can't blame religion for what the followers do. If you want to judge religion, study the sources
	And We have not sent you(O Muhammad!) but as a mercy to the worlds. (Al-Quran 21: 107)
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fredifreeloader Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 456	Posted: 01 May 2006 at 3:30am
	well you see, *zul,* when i pointed out the sources in the hadith and shariah law, as i did recently in the matter of the death penalty for apostates, i was told the sources were not valid. but millions upon millions of muslims think they are. it would appear that certain muslims in these forums think that sunnah is not applicable (i appreciate that this may not apply to jailing or fining people for not going to the mosque, i have not said there was a source in islamic scriptures for this) ----also when i posted the letter from muhammad to the rulers of oman, along with its translation (both of which are on display in oman, and the letter proves that muhammad forced the omanis to convert to islam), i was told that the translation was not correct. but noone could supply the correct translation
	for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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zulqarnain Groupie Joined: 24 April 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Posted: 01 May 2006 at 4:07am
	Please post me the same letter if you have a photocopy!!
	And We have not sent you(O Muhammad!) but as a mercy to the worlds. (Al-Quran 21: 107)
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fredifreeloader Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 456	Posted: 01 May 2006 at 5:08am
	zul - youll find the pictures on this page: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3751& ;PN=3&TPN=32
	for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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