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Posted: 21 April 2006 at 10:09am

Angel,

All my life I have known that Catholic don't believe that Jesus is God, despite the "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit".

Catholics believe that the Word of God incarnated Jesus. They believe that he is 100% human and 100% divine. They believe that God is the Father and the Word (son) and the Holy Spirit--all God--in three "persons" -- the same divine substance.

What religion are you?

Your post is too long, my dear. I'll try to have something for you to think about sometime next week.

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Posted: 21 April 2006 at 10:11am

Originally posted by Angela

Well, there ya go, I would actually be arguing in support of you. Since we don't believe Elohim and Jesus are the same.

Who is "we" Angela? The "same" what?

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Posted: 21 April 2006 at 10:20am

We are Mormons. We are not traditional Christians and do not subscribe to the Trinity, thus Elohim and Jesus are not the same person or essense. They are only one in purpose, not one being.

But, since Angel's posts are lengthy and I need my KJV bible next to me, I have to wait till Sunday when I'll be home after Church.

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Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:33pm

very lengthy quotations, angel. you posted 100 verses purporting to show that Jesus and God are different things. perhaps you could help by going through them, to show exactly how they show this

for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16

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Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:48pm

Originally posted by George

What religion are you?

Your post is too long, my dear. I'll try to have something for you to think about sometime next week.

she is muslim

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George

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Posted: 22 April 2006 at 6:27am

Angela,

Is this the official Mormon site?

http://www.lds.org/

Basic beliefs:

http://www.mormon.org/

It is good that you said that Mormons were not traditional Christians because of what I read on this sites is true, then the Mormons do not represent the majority of Christian beliefs.

There are about 2.1 billion Christians and the Mormons represent about 12 million of the total.

I don't know much about the Mormons other than the founder's name and a few other things.

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Posted: 22 April 2006 at 6:29am

Angel,

I went over some of your post and I'm am very sorry but it is too long and there are so many "inaccuracies" in it that it would take me forever to respond to them all.

I can give you a couple of websites to look over if you wish.

Jesus is God

http://web.archive.org/web/20021206035950/ic.net/~erasmus/RA Z98.HTM

Trinity

http://web.archive.org/web/20040217141524/ic.net/~erasmus/RA Z99.HTM

Good luck.

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Posted: 22 April 2006 at 8:33am

Angel,

That was a huge effort and looking at all the stuff that people wrote and you quoted, everyone including even the Christians should be able to say that Jesus is not God.

To understand God in all Majesty, Glory and Truth, it would be better to read and quote from the chapter of Isaiah in the Jewish Bible or the OT.

Some pearls from Isaiah:

42:8 "I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or praise to idols."

43:10-12 "Before me no god was formed, nor willl there be one after me. "I, even I, am the Lord and apart from me there is no saviour. I have revealed and saved and proclaimed- I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "that I am God. Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?"

44:6 "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

44:8 "Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

After reading all of above, Jesus is not God at all.

BMZ

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George Senior Member Joined: 14 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 406	Posted: 21 April 2006 at 10:09am
	Angel, All my life I have known that Catholic don't believe that Jesus is God, despite the "In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit". Catholics believe that the Word of God incarnated Jesus. They believe that he is 100% human and 100% divine. They believe that God is the Father and the Word (son) and the Holy Spirit--all God--in three "persons" -- the same divine substance. What religion are you? Your post is too long, my dear. I'll try to have something for you to think about sometime next week.
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George Senior Member Joined: 14 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 406	Posted: 21 April 2006 at 10:11am
	*Originally posted by Angela* Well, there ya go, I would actually be arguing in support of you. Since we don't believe Elohim and Jesus are the same. Who is "we" Angela? The "same" what?
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Angela Female Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2555	Posted: 21 April 2006 at 10:20am
	We are Mormons. We are not traditional Christians and do not subscribe to the Trinity, thus Elohim and Jesus are not the same person or essense. They are only one in purpose, not one being. But, since Angel's posts are lengthy and I need my KJV bible next to me, I have to wait till Sunday when I'll be home after Church.
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fredifreeloader Guest Group Joined: 17 February 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 456	Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:33pm
	very lengthy quotations, *angel.* you posted 100 verses purporting to show that Jesus and God are different things. perhaps you could help by going through them, to show exactly how they show this
	for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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ak_m_f Senior Member Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274	Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:48pm
	*Originally posted by George* What religion are you? Your post is too long, my dear. I'll try to have something for you to think about sometime next week. she is muslim
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George Senior Member Joined: 14 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 406	Posted: 22 April 2006 at 6:27am
	Angela, Is this the official Mormon site? http://www.lds.org/ Basic beliefs: http://www.mormon.org/ It is good that you said that Mormons were not traditional Christians because of what I read on this sites is true, then the Mormons do not represent the majority of Christian beliefs. There are about 2.1 billion Christians and the Mormons represent about 12 million of the total. I don't know much about the Mormons other than the founder's name and a few other things.
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George Senior Member Joined: 14 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 406	Posted: 22 April 2006 at 6:29am
	Angel, I went over some of your post and I'm am very sorry but it is too long and there are so many "inaccuracies" in it that it would take me forever to respond to them all. I can give you a couple of websites to look over if you wish. Jesus is God http://web.archive.org/web/20021206035950/ic.net/~erasmus/RA Z98.HTM Trinity http://web.archive.org/web/20040217141524/ic.net/~erasmus/RA Z99.HTM Good luck.
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BMZ Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1852	Posted: 22 April 2006 at 8:33am
	Angel, That was a huge effort and looking at all the stuff that people wrote and you quoted, everyone including even the Christians should be able to say that Jesus is not God. To understand God in all Majesty, Glory and Truth, it would be better to read and quote from the chapter of Isaiah in the Jewish Bible or the OT. Some pearls from Isaiah: 42:8 "I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or praise to idols." 43:10-12 "Before me no god was formed, nor willl there be one after me. "I, even I, am the Lord and apart from me there is no saviour. I have revealed and saved and proclaimed- I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "that I am God. Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?" 44:6 "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." 44:8 "Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." After reading all of above, Jesus is not God at all. BMZ
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