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Servetus
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 9:24am

“You know, Ahmad, Christians already believe that Muslims are rather anti-intellectual, and not willing to submit to honest critical thought.” 

You know, Athanasius, I called my mom, the best Christian that I have ever known, and she said that she most certainly does not believe this.

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 10:48am
Servetus, I don't know your mother, or her knowledge of Islam.  I do know that Islamic culture, as a whole, is not based on freedom of thought.  A modern example of this might be the plight of the gentleman in Afghanistan who was recently saved from the death penalty for his conversion to Christianity (of course, the cop-out was that the fellow was insane).  The free exchange of information is a Western Concept derived from philosophies impacted by Judeo-Christian cultural norms.

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 11:04am

Athanasius,

You are talking about a nation that has been gripped by war for as long as I've been alive.  There is something like a 96% illiteracy rate in Afghanistan and many of the people have never even read the Quran or ahadiths of their own religion.  They go off of what is taught by the mullahs or whom many themselves are relatively uneducated.  This is a very tribal society that incorporates tribal custom into Islamic belief.  Many scholars from around the world pleaded with the Afghan government to spare his life and rejected it as an unIslamic act.  CAIR was one of them. 

The Quran encourages learning and science.  While we Europeans were plunged into the dark ages, they were studying Science and Mathematics. 

Education is a cornerstone of Islam.  Keeping people ignorant is the tool of tribal societies not wanting to lose control of the people to the higher call of Islam. 

Athanasius, please go to this site, it had all the ahadiths, three translations of the Quran and a host of other information on Islam.

You claim to have read the Quran, but I wonder.  Did you read it cover to cover, have you read and studied the Sunnah?  What sources did you use?  Were they Islamic sources or Christian sources on Islam? 

Just check this site out.....there would not be so many sites out there like this if it weren't for the Islamic love of learning.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 11:20am

“Servetus, I don't know your mother, or her knowledge of Islam.”

 

Athanasius, perhaps at some point I shall introduce you to her.  In the meantime, she is comparatively –at times, astoundingly- well informed and tends to take issue when others appoint themselves to speak for her or her beliefs with such statements as “Christians believe that Muslims …”

  

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by AhmadJoyia

One of the moderator (probably sis Khadijah) made the following remarks to which I don't fully agree with. She says "

***What part of my warning did you fail to understand?  Non-Muslims are not invited here to debate their faith.  They are invited here to learn about Islam.  It appears to me that your sole purpose here is to proselytize which is not permitted because this is a MUSLIM forum group.  We are here to learn about Islam.  We love our faith.  We do not beg others to come here; however, we warmly welcome them if they truly desire to learn about Islam."** "

Here I do like to draw her attention to a particular area of this forum, where healthy discussion among different faiths (Islamic Interfaith Dialogue) is discussed to learn. This learning is a both way traffic through which we all benefit. If we believe, as Muslims, that we are on the right path, then we must be able to demonstrate it as well beyond our "blind" faith with appropriate logic and using wisdom that Allah has given us. However, we are incapable of doing so, then such tactics of "shuting up others" would not help either. Here, (Islamic Interfaith Dialogue), I do see a lot of threads being un-necessarily locked out with out assigning any reason to it, that too, hardly the discussion has begun in them. Now for them I really couldn't understand as why such an action took place. Are we afraid of some thing?

Now coming to the specific word "proselytize " which our moderators levishly use to chop others, it must be realised that it is a relative term and must be used in very extrem situations. Untill or unless someone is behaving such as not to listen to logical arguments presented by others and whose only purpose is to declare his opinon without rationalist understanding of it, I don't think such a lable can be fixed so easily on this forum.

 

Bismillah,

I agree that interfaith is meant for open discussions and dialoge.  However, even that liberal section should never allow Islaam bashing and preaching by atheists or believers of other faiths.

I agree with Sister Khadija's comments and support them.  I appreciate her effort and good will towards us which is solely for the purpose of assisting all of the Muslims and friends of Muslims here.  She would never oppress anyone as others have slurred her by remarking.

Peace.

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 1:47pm
Well, frankly, I would like to know why on earth I am blocked from responding to an individual on a thread I BEGAN: Learning About Christianity.  It would appear that there is a rather blatant favortism here, and individuals are arbitrarily blocked.  This raises some issues that I am currently having my staff research.
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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 3:43pm

Assalamu Alaikum:

This thread started out as a simple question asking why certain threads or posts are 'censored'. As you can read for youselves, it has turned into bickering, name calling, and religious one-up-manship. It is way off topic and not very pleasant.

This is a perfect example of why some threads are being monitored, edited, and deleted or closed.

Athanasius: this is an ISLAMIC website. Please feel free to have your 'staff' check into anything that you like. We have the right to 'censor' any posts that do not conform with Islamic behavior or manners. We also have the right to ban any user from the forum who is causing disruption or not following the Guidelines.

As for proselytizing, if someone is here to learn about Islam, that will be obvious within a few posts. If they ask questions only to turn them around to prove that another religion is correct, they are not here to learn but rather to preach. There are some posters here who relish these threads and enjoy the back and forth, but there are many posters here who do not. There are also new Muslims here who may be confused by these posts, or those who are non-Muslims who sincerely want to learn, who find this disturbing.

I do not believe for a second that that was or is the purpose of this forum. It should be a place for all to come and LEARN in a relatively nurturing environment. I invite anyone who is criticizing the Moderators to go back and read some of the recent posts and ask yourselves honestly if these posts reflect this type of an environment. And please keep in mind that some of the most argumentative and negative posts have been deleted.

 

 

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bullet Posted: 17 April 2006 at 4:12pm

Learning Enviroment: 2 - Islamic Forum: 16

Looks like the points are stacked in one direction.. But Keep up this ******* of a nuturing enviroment..

why dont you just let them preach.. its not like anyone would really change his or her viewpoint just based on some random information on the internet. In the end.. if the person was going to be swayed one way or the other.. the seeds would have been planted a long time ago...

Christians will see things through christian lenses, and will try to prove this or that with scripture here.. "evidence there"... and the Muslims do the same thing... you cant prove somthing to somone else if they dont believe in your source. Though there are exceptions... still in the end its about faith... and a few words cant change that.

Only those who have somthing to loose... fear information...
".....Truth Stands Clear from Error" (2:256).... right?

P.S. people who have been on this forum for only 6 months.... maybe shouldnt be moderators.



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