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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 12:00pm

I have stated John a number of times, I no longer have access to the book in question or I would gladly do so.

My core beliefs are illustrated in the AoF posted in another thread.  I won't clog two threads.  There is also a lengthy thread from about 6 months ago that I explained those in.

Thirdly,  Is it any different to speak about the Methodist minister than it is to attack Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or any other of the Mormon people.  They are dead and cannot defend themselves.  That's called a double standard. 

And I do not believe in Original Sin, the First Sin brought mortality and death.  We are all responsible for our own sins, not for the sin of Adam.

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:07pm

I don't know what Muslims believe about original sin - but, I know what the Bible teaches on that: see Romans 5:12-21

 

 

 

 

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:11pm

Romans 5:12-21 (English Standard Version)

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The Holy Bible, English Standard Version Copyright  2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers.

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Death in Adam, Life in Christ
 12Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-- 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

 15But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17If, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.  

 18Therefore, as one trespass[a] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness[b] leads to justification and life for all men. 19For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The original/first sin brought death to this world and that propagates sin.  We are not born sinners, sin exists in the world and we become sinners.

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:26pm

What is the original sin ??

someone explain it to me
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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:31pm

Original Sin is the concept that because Adam and Eve ate the apple, we are all born with the taint of sin on our souls.  The only way to cleanse this sin is through Baptism.  So if you go through you're entire life a saint, never once sin and then you die.  If you weren't baptized, you go to Hell.

The First Sin is when Adam ate the apple, death entered the world through that sin.  But we are all responsible for our own sins.  Not Adam's sin.

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:53pm

Angela, you are cofusing Roman Catholic dogma with Biblical doctrine.  Original sin is the doctrine taught in Scripture that all men died spiritually in Adam - but we are made alive in Christ. Also, physical death came into the world through Adam and to his descendents.

If you don't believe in original sin, then why are you growing old and dying?  Why did Jesus say you must be born-again (spiritually)? You inherited the Adamic nature, that's why you grow old and die.  You sin because of the Adamic nature.  What John Brown posted above about having to teach children to do the right thing is 100% on target.

But, just forget about the Roman limbo junk and the rest of their errors - baptism is a "sign" of salvation, as the Methodist Articles state - not the means to it.

 

 

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 1:56pm

check out this funny prank played by couple of dudes on JW

***such links should not be posted on IC forum, they only start problems***


is it legal to do this in US?



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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 2:03pm

No its not legal, there was a man in Salt Lake, Mormon who was arrested on assault charges because a street preacher was defiling a pair of garments.  He walked up, pushed the man and grabbed the garments and left.  The street preacher filed assault charges and the man was convicted.  These guys went way farther than a shove.

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