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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 3:15pm

As a moderator for IC forum group, I must ask that members stop discussing and bickering over "Christianity" here.  Athanasius and John Brown, there is no reason for you to continue to harass Angela.  She was merely complaining about a problem she has experienced and it appears that you have only come here to do more of the same to her.  If you did not notice, this is an Islamic website with guidelines that were made to uphold proper adab (manners).  All members are expected to do this regardless if they are Muslims or not.

Angela did not make a general statment regarding the Methodist Church but rather gave her personal experience.  She even stated that she doesn't hate the Methodist Church, but rather, she simply chooses not to be a Methodist.  That is her right and you do not have the right to come here and harass her about it. 

It appears to me that the two of you have merely found a means to proselytize your faith here which is not okay for you to do.  This is a Muslim forum group, not a Christian forum group.  If a Muslim wants to learn about Christianity, they know where to find christian chat groups and forums.  If you have no interest in Islam other than to try to convert some away from Islam or to harass Angela, then you should volunarily leave before you are forced to do so.

And, no, Islam doesn't teach the doctrine of 'original sin'.  Allah does not punish anyone for sins committed by another unless the former intentionally led the latter astray and the later was truly ignorant of the truth.  In that case, the person who intentionally led the other astray will be punished for doing so and may also be punished for any harm the latter may have done because of the formers actions. 

There is no way that Allah would punish future generations for something that a previous generation did.  That doctrine was created as a means to make the masses feel unworthy and in need of being 'saved'.  It created a dependency upon the church in the Christian faith for the masses.  It sets up a means by which the church got and continues to get individuals to accept Jesus as their personal savior and to control them.  In other words, the Christian Church (mainstream that is) used and still uses that false doctrine to lay a WHOOPER of a guilt trip on people. 

According to Islam, no human who dies before reaching the age of puberty will taste the fires of hell.  How can anyone who loves the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) believe for one second that any child will suffer eternity in hell?  Jesus (pbuh), himself, said that we needed to be like children in order to enter 'heaven'.  If little children are full of sin and of 'bad nature', then why should we strive to be like them?  The truth of the matter is they are pure of heart.  They are innocent. 

And, yes, I know the doctrine of 'original sin'.  I, like MANY other reverts to Islam, was a Christian for MANY years.  I will tell you just like the Texas Muslim revert who was in the last stage of his Christian Minstery program at the time he reverted to Islam told his mother who prays that he will revert back to Christianity; the probabliity of you reverting to Islam is infinitely greater than my returning to Christianity.  In fact, no TRUE Muslim would ever consider leaving Islam.  Alhamdulillah (Thank God!!!)  Subhan Allah (Praise God!!!)

Now, with that said, any further debate regarding Angela's CHOICE to be a Mormon or the experiences that led her to convert to Mormonism will be simply deleted.  And any debate regarding Christianity in general here will simply be deleted.  This thread was not started for that purpose.  So, John Brown and Athanasius, if you want to stay here to learn about Islam, I strongly suggest that you simply try to find some thread that will help do that.  And if you post, your posts are to be respectful and entail no defaming or proselytizing.  If I see anymore of this, you will be banned from IC forum.

AK, Sister Mishmish has already asked you not to say anything more about JW's.  You have been warned now twice.  If you can't say something nice about another faith, I strongly suggest that you respect the words of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and simply say nothing at all.

PAZ

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 3:28pm

***What part of my warning did you fail to understand?  Non-Muslims are not invited here to debate their faith.  They are invited here to learn about Islam.  It appears to me that your sole purpose here is to proselytize which is not permitted because this is a MUSLIM forum group.  We are here to learn about Islam.  We love our faith.  We do not beg others to come here; however, we warmly welcome them if they truly desire to learn about Islam."** 



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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 3:56pm

Originally posted by Khadija1021

Now, with that said, any further debate regarding Angela's CHOICE to be a Mormon or the experiences that led her to convert to Mormonism will be simply deleted.  And any debate regarding Christianity in general here will simply be deleted.  This thread was not started for that purpose.  So, John Brown and Athanasius, if you want to stay here to learn about Islam, I strongly suggest that you simply try to find some thread that will help do that.  And if you post, your posts are to be respectful and entail no defaming or proselytizing.  If I see anymore of this, you will be banned from IC forum.

Thank you Sister Khadija.  I appreciate this. 

Jazak Allah Khair

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 5:49pm

Sister Kadija:  Where exactly did I proseletize?  I asked Angela to state her core values so that we would know what her belief system is.  I told her what I believe, and I told her that I believe she was wrong about her assertion that the Methodists believe that babies will go to hell.  I don't believe that, and most Christians don't believe that either. I do believe in the concept of original sin, however and this concept is backed up by Christian scripture.  I don't care what Angela believes.  I just want the truth and then we can all go on with our lives.  Are we not allowed to refute someone who makes an assertion that is untrue?  Why do you equate that with proselitizing?  In any event, i will research Angela's claims that her core values are on another thread. 

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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 6:06pm
so what do Mormons believe in? Angela?

how its different from other christan groups?

please clear "John Brown's" doubt.


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bullet Posted: 13 April 2006 at 6:23pm

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1593& ;KW=Mormonism&PN=0&TPN=1

There is the forum that AhmadJoyia asked me for just after I joined IC. 

I will state, I don't want to reopen the discussion.  If people want to read it, they can.

Any other questions they can get answered at

http://www.lds.org

 

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