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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 1:22pm
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I am still not sure if you are muslim or not,please move up your head to the sky,and see the weapons of Allah,do their nuclear weapons are enough to fight with the Sun and the Stars?,please see how Allah is great...thx...if we unite beside the Qur'an rather than fighting each other, free Palestine is ready in 5 years...



who wants to fight sun and stars?, I was simply being realistic, This is the reason why muslim world is behind in techonology.Face it you are not a prophet and God wouldnt send u an instant reply. mean while ur dua reaches Allah, it wouldnt kill you to work on some weapons system.

If that was the case then muslims in old times would have sat in a locked room, praying 24/7 for a nuke to appear before their eyes.

They did fought the invaders when they were attacked, but also trusted Allah that he will help them (which he did).

Did you forgot how Isreal won against arab in six days? It was beause arabs had no techonology & weapons.

If muslims want to be super power again then I suggest that they should start working on their education system and do some R&D.

stop dreaming start working.

btw, yes I m muslim.

Don't you the one who blamed Iran in the board for it's nuclear searches?,have you got two hearts?

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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 1:27pm
Also where do you know that Muslims are uneducated?...Subhan'Allah,please visit here asap...see asap....
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Quote ak_m_f Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 1:30pm
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Don't you the one who blamed Iran in the board for it's nuclear searches?,have you got two hearts?



I only said that Iran has right to have nukes like everyone else.
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Quote ak_m_f Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 1:31pm
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Also where do you know that Muslims are uneducated?...Subhan'Allah,please visit here asap...see asap....


I said "work on the education system".

meant make it better.

I didnt said that muslims were uneducated.
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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 1:36pm
I said come and see that here is better the problem you have stated is different,so many Americans and Canadians come here to having their educations...thx,i am outside of the discussions...
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Quote Muslima Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 2:44pm

One of hte reason Israel won against the Arabs is because we have fake governments and the government of Jordan betrayed us.

We need to get rid of our fake pro-US governments and inshAllah, the rest will follow.

I think countries like Pakistan have done very well to get the nuclear weapon. As they say: if you cannot beat them, join them! I normally am against weapons but in certain case, you have to do like your enemy.

If it were not for the arabs, you would not even know how to count: 1, 2 ,3....!So please, have a look at what the arabs and the muslims have done! They have discovered everything!!!

Praying is as important as fighting!

I am fed uo with poeple putting down Muslims! Go and visits Muslim countries instead of criticizing them from your canadian egloo (no offense to Canada, lots of Algerians there, hello brothers!)

I can't wait for Palestine to be free! That day, ak_m, anyone who is not happy cannot be a Muslim!

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Quote ak_m_f Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 5:44pm
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One of hte reason Israel won against the Arabs is because we have fake governments and the government of Jordan betrayed us.


We need to get rid of our fake pro-US governments and inshAllah, the rest will follow.


I think countries like Pakistan have done very well to get the nuclear weapon. As they say: if you cannot beat them, join them! I normally am against weapons but in certain case, you have to do like your enemy.


If it were not for the arabs, you would not even know how to count: 1, 2 ,3....!So please, have a look at what the arabs and the muslims have done! They have discovered everything!!!


Praying is as important as fighting!


I am fed uo with poeple putting down Muslims! Go and visits Muslim countries instead of criticizing them from your canadian egloo (no offense to Canada, lots of Algerians there, hello brothers!)





What Pakistan did was on their own, no arabs helped them; US put sanctions on Pakistan back in 80’s because of nuclear program. You couldn’t even get a flash camera during those years. But we managed. During those time Bhutto said “we will eat grass but he will get there”


government of Jordan betrayed us

There were mainly 2 reasons why the Arab nations gave in: 1. The lost territories held relatively few inhabitants (as was the case with Sinai for Egypt and Golan Heights for Syria) or was occupied territory (as was the case with Gaza Strip for Egypt and West Bank for Jordan).

2. The capitals of each of the three countries were threatened (Israeli troops were less than 100 km from Cairo and less than 50 km from Damascus and Amman).

jordan did the right thing, how can you fight if 50% of your army is destroyed?

Take a look at how small techonological superior nation defeated 4 huge nations:

Israel:
50,000 troops (264,000 including mobilized reservists); 197 combat aircraft

779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners
(official casualties)

Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq:
Egypt 150,000 troops; Syria 75,000; Jordan 55,000;
812 combat aircraft
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
(estimates).

Even with Jordan, arabs would have lost the war. The point is isreal had backup of NATO + 2 superpowers.

You talk about getting rid of pro US government. Get rid of kings in Saudi first, masharraf is pro us too, if he wasn’t then US would have included paksitan in “rouge state” and people will be eating sand.

Go and count till 1,2,3 hope it helps you to win some wars. What arabs achieved was during Khalifath, what do they have now?

No one is putting down Muslims, just staring facts.

What I said in previous post as that situation can be improved by having some kind of R&D weapons program + education (research?), If you don’t like US influence on your country then become independent. Make your own stuff.

Palestine will be free if Muslim countries form some kind of NATO and be free from US military aid. Then they can take action on their own without getting effected by USA. Right now Muslim countries are weak and must comply with USA to exist.

I can't wait for Palestine to be free! That day, ak_m, anyone who is not happy cannot be a Muslim!


Yes, I will be happy if Palestine is free.

btw last time I heard was that anyone know believes in one god and his prophets is a muslim.


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Quote amah Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2006 at 10:50pm
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If muslims want to be super power again then I suggest that they should start working on their education system and do some R&D.

stop dreaming start working.



 I agree. Muslims have become "backward". They have forgotten their religion. THere is no unity. Education includes knowing your religion and knowing everything that is required to to stay in tune with the times.

Prayer is a great weapon, but that is part of it. Allah helps those who want to be helped. We have to take action first and ask Allah for help....ofcourse nothing happens unless Allah wills it.

Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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