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    Posted: 03 April 2005 at 7:55pm

As a matter of historical records - the slavery once practiced in the Muslim world cannot be compared to the form it had assumed -- for instance  - in the Judo-Christian world. While both Judaism and Christianity allowed slavery - Islamic legislation subjected slave-owners to a set of precise obligations - first among which was the slave's right to life, for, according to a Hadith: Whoever kills his slave shall be killed by us. In consequence, the murder of a slave was punished like that of a free man.

 

Contrary to this - During Judaism and Christianity, slavery was at its highest peak in the Middle East.  People were enslaved and they and their children were inherited and passed down to generations forever. This tradition came from Leviticus 25:44-46 in the Bible's Old Testament, and further continued in the New Testament in 1 Timothy 6:1, 1 Peter 2:18, and Colossians 3:22.

 

Islam has tolerated slavery but has never approved of it, and that all its teachings and prescriptions in this regard lead to its alleviation as far as possible in the short term, and, in the longer term, conduce to its progressive suppression. To abolish it would have been impossible in a world in which it was generally practiced by all the states which bordered on the new Muslim empire, and in which the idea of challenging the principle itself had not occurred to anyone. It was the custom to enslave prisoners of war - when these were not simply massacred -- and the Islamic state would have put itself at a grave disadvantage vis-a-vis its enemies had it not reciprocated to some extent. By guaranteeing them humane treatment, and various possibilities of subsequently releasing themselves, it ensured that a good number of combatants in the opposing armies preferred captivity at the hands of Muslims to death on the field of battle.

 

The idea that entered Western consciousness several centuries ago, that black people are less than human, made possible the Atlantic slave trade, during which perhaps 40 million people died – Howard Zinn in ‘Declaration of Independence’.

 

In conclusion - Among all the religions it was only Islam that attacked the very foundations of this evil.

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Quote tawhid Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2005 at 8:59pm

but at the same time they oppress infedels in shariah law for those who do not CONvert (not revert) to islam

jizya...for one

dude...your theology is totally wrong when it comes to slavery....the very same thing can be said about your islam as you are claiming about christianity and judaism...

here it is....in ALL 3 .... it was permitted...

i think all faiths can come into agreement that it was wrong...and all 3 can come to agreement that it was practiced by EACH

so please...the same blood is on your hands as well...

but it is christ and his truth as the Son of God (more than a mere prophet) who forgave sins and said..."the truth shall set you free"

and "no longer are you slaves to sin"

only in the christian enjeels can you find such a love...

allahu akbar...praises to the christ

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:09am

but at the same time they oppress infedels in shariah law for those who do not CONvert (not revert) to islam - jizya...for one

How much this ‘jizya’ you think the Jews and Christians were paying, while owning most of land under Muslim rule in Spain?

dude...your theology is totally wrong when it comes to slavery....the very same thing can be said about your islam as you are claiming about christianity and judaism...

Can you prove that Rabbi?

here it is....in ALL 3 .... it was permitted...

Now some ‘anti-slavery verses from Talmud or OT, please!
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Quote blond Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:59am

"90:12.

And what will make thee comprehend what the uphill road is?

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(It is) to free a slave,

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Or to feed in a day of hunger

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An orphan nearly related,

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Or the poor man lying in the dust.

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Then he is of those who believe and exhort one another to patience, and exhort one another to mercy.

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These are the people of the right hand.

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And those who disbelieve in Our messages, they are the people of the left hand.

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On them is Fire closed over."

Although Allah and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) condemned slavery, Arabs participated heavily in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Islam is not always the same as the practice of the people who profess it.

The practice of Allah, has always been to manifest HIS Wisdom to the slaves and the oppressed, and not to those in power. Allah comes to crush those in power, using slaves, i.e... Musa. Slavery is most hated by Allah and the Righteous, and is never justified. Allah never created man to be a bearer of burden for other lazy, shiftless, greedy people who want everyone else to work for their benefit.

I believe that one can quickly tell a devil, who will use Allah's book to justify slavery. And one should never allow it to go unchecked.



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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 8:27am
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The practice of Allah, has always been to manifest HIS Wisdom to the slaves and the oppressed, and not to those in power.

wow, and I thought God was for all people.

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Quote blond Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 8:40am
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The practice of Allah, has always been to manifest HIS Wisdom to the slaves and the oppressed, and not to those in power.

wow, and I thought God was for all people.

Allah is not for all people. According to scripture, He is for those who submit to His will. He will fill Hell with the rest.



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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 9:23am

And it is also mentions that God guides those whom he wills.

Blond, you saying that Allah is not for all people is like saying that Islam is not for all people. And that Allah is only for/in Islam.

And also within islam you are saying that slaves and the oppressed is only for Allah not for other muslims.

I understand that 'muslim' means one who submits to Allah's will/slave to Allah's will but I feel that is not what you are implying here. One does not have to be oppressed either.



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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 9:32am

I believe that one can quickly tell a devil, who will use Allah's book to justify slavery. And one should never allow it to go unchecked
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Correction dear. Rev. Pat Robertson has already told me who would be the Devil (Anti-Christ). According to the 'holy evangelist' the Anti-Christ' would be a Jew.

And for your information, those (Zionists) Jews don't believe in Allah - But Theodor Herzl as their Lord.

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