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Quote fezziwig Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2005 at 9:08pm
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Do you know the definition of 'Native'? Based on this dumb logic - only the white and non-Muslims could be 'Natives'!

Non sequitor.


And what your Google said about'Deeper Roots'? Doesn't it mention in the first chapter the same figures I quoted in the first place?



Didn't read the first chapter. The HNN article cites the historians it quotes. And one can read it online, saving a trip to the library, perhaps on a fools errand.

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2005 at 9:38pm

Rehmat said:

"If the Arabs have been practicing bigotry and racism - Why you think they 'liberated' Jews in Spain (711 CE), and then in Palestine (1186 CE)?"

First off the in the Ummayad dynasty the Arabs you mentioned so-called liberated the Jews intellectually but it did not stop the Arabs as well as the moors from ridiculing the Jews for their belief, and unfortunately its sad to say that if the Jews didn't convert to Islam they suffered more ridicule. But in such an intellectual period that is foreshadowed by the ignorance of man this has become the apparent in history.

 

I think you have forgotten the Sundanese Africans who also suffered under Arab terror. Or have you forgotton the Africans in Sauid Arabia who were also serving as slaves and still occuring today....Please dont give me that crap that Arab Muslim countries are any better. Last time I checked history the Saudi police let 3 girls burn in a school because they weren't wearing Hijab....

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Quote Yusuf. Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2005 at 9:40pm

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Originally posted by Yusuf.

fez, I followed that link and the page lists a blog by daniel pipes as one of its featured links. you yourself know what kind of reputation pipes has among muslims. what other reaction would you expect?


Guilt by association, Yusuf? I expected better. The same website has links to Matt Yglesias, Juan Cole, Josh Marshall, etc., but maybe they're poison to muslims, too. You tell me. Pipes is a severe critic of muslims, just as the others are (often) severe critics of US policy, but all of them are articulate and informative and it's common in US websites to group disparate views together for contrast and fairness.

If Pipes is poison and every website that links to Pipes is poison and every website that links to them is poison, then pretty soon the whole internet is offlimits. Censorship doesn't work.

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yes, I understand your point; on the internet everything leads to everything else. but a site that lists pipes as a featured link is quite different than a site from which you can eventually reach pipes. you know that as well as I do.

would you try to persuade a jewish audience by citing an article that lists louis farrakhan as one of its featured links? the fact is the entire Islamic world considers daniel pipes one of its main enemies. maybe you don't agree. fine. and maybe the islamic world is wrong to see pipes in this light. fine again. and maybe the point the article you cite is valid. fine too. but no muslim is going to go to that site and bother to read the article once they see pipes' name. I won't; pipes listed me as a sympathiser with terrorists because I criticized his "campus watch" site. maybe he's articulate, but he's a whack job. for that matter, farrakhan can be articulate too.

I'm not trying to censor anything, just point out to you that if you wish to persuade muslims, find an article that's not from such a site. maybe you have a point, I don't know. but you're not going to make it by citing an article from that source.

I'm not trying to really argue with you, fez; on non-muslim web boards I've had the same thing happen: someone told me that because the site I quoted had links to rabidly anti-US sites, they refused to believe what I posted. So I found the same material from sources that couldn't be so easily impeached in their eyes.

as for me, I'm going back to the arts forum and post some more pictures of pretty mosques!



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Quote blond Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 5:23am

El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz did not use "house ni88er" terminology. This was language that he used under the name of Malcolm X, and he got it from his teacher Elijah Muhammad. It is convenient to use Malcolm's words when talking about racism outside of Islam, but when we talk about racism inside of Islam, Malcolm X suddenly becomes El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. I see that most Muslims, who are not black, consider the Nation of Islam to be kufar. Those who do, should not use Malcolm as their example . El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz was assassinated when he tried to become a "house ni88er". His own wife said that it was not the Nation of Islam, but the US government's COINTELPRO that killed him.

I was there personally for his wife and two of his daughter's, so I am not speaking from an "armchair revolutionary" perspective. This is no insult to anyone, but I hate to see Malcolm's memory desecrated by people who never intend to pick up his struggle to help BLACK people.

I have also been to the Nation of Islam's headquarters, at 7351 South Stony Island in Chicago, over a period of almost 20 years, and I have found them to be as brotherly as any other Muslims I have met in America. They are not racists as most people teach. And since I have been there personally, I can speak from actual experience and not from conjecture. One will always find Muslims of all nationalities accepted amongst them.

I think our fault is not with uniting against a common enemy, it is in not uniting with ourselves.



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Quote blond Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 5:50am
Originally posted by Rehmat

Originally posted by fezziwig

Quick searches on Google suggest that these books are merely about blacks and muslims in the Americas before Colombus. Nothing about Native genocide.

Do you know the definition of 'Native'? Based on this dumb logic - only the white and non-Muslims could be 'Natives'!

And what your Google said about'Deeper Roots'? Doesn't it mention in the first chapter the same figures I quoted in the first place?

Are you saying the HNN article is written by Mosad? And what does that have to do with WMDs and Iraq?

Is the US court accept a proven liar as a genuine witness? It could be in Israel, but I am not sure about that.

Proponents of eugenics have boasted that they have murdered 600,000,000 members of the dark nations, and they plan to reduce the worlds population to 3 billion using famine, disease and war.

Historically, the colonizers murdered 100,000,000 blacks just during the middle passage through the Atlantic ocean from 1555 through the 1800's. The  Native Indian population is only a remnant of what it once was. Blacks and Indians were hunted for sport for 300 years in America. But the main cause of the genocide of these people was being worked to death and no resistance to the diseases of the Europeans, which caused mass plauges to infect them.

The colonizer also possess a knowledge of how to SCIENTIFICALLY divide the ranks of the people they enslave. They have had centuries to master this technique and it is in full effect today. We can see it manifested every time we attempt to unite.

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 6:39am

While you’re on this Black subject – It may come as a surprise to you that most of the so-called ‘Balck or Women Rights organizations are controlled by the same people, who could top among the most racist White folks.

In 1909, when four Jews were among the sixty multiracial signers of the Call to National Action resulted in creation of the NAACP, the Yiddish newspapers on New York's Lower East Side were already equating lynchings of African Americans in the South with pogroms against Jews in Russia. During the next half century, organizational bonds and political cooperation between African American and American Jewish communities gradually matured. The culmination in 1964 was Mississippi Freedom Summer when over half of the white students who journeyed south to fight for black voting rights are estimated to have been Jewish. Those drawn to the civil rights movement gave diverse reasons, and selfless idealism on behalf of others coexisted with enlightened self-interest in uprooting prejudices that also victimized Jews.

Brother Shahbazz was never a ‘Hoese slave’ – as Malcolm X or otherwise. It was Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. – And that’s his death anniversary is a ‘National Holiday’ in the US. However, both fell to the guns hired by FBI.

Martin Luther King, Jr., from a 1965 interview, in A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings (1986):

"How could there be anti-Semitism among Negroes when our Jewish friends have demonstrated their commitment to the principle of tolerance and brotherhood not only in the form of sizable contributions, but in many other tangible ways, and often at great personal sacrifice. Can we ever express our appreciation to the rabbis who chose to give moral witness with us in St. Augustine during our recent protest against segregation in that unhappy city? Need I remind anyone of the awful beating suffered by Rabbi Arthur Lelyveld of Cleveland when he joined the civil rights workers there in Hattiesburg, Mississippi? And who can ever forget the sacrifice of two Jewish lives, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, in the swamps of Mississippi? It would be impossible to record the contribution that the Jewish people have made toward the Negro's struggle for freedom--it has been so great." 

So, who was the House Slave?

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Quote blond Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:16am

Good post Rehmat.

I would like to add that the Zionists have long funded both sides of every issue in order to exorcise complete control of the issues. Most of the time, their involvement is a closely guarded secret. This is how they can cause the "leaders" of most movements to capitulate, whenever they are displeased with them. They can call them to apologize for things that they have not even done-but were done by others. You can tell the pattern of usage because it is their practice to use a spokesman from the ethnic group they are targeting. I.e... Condi Rice and Colon Powell speak against Sudan; General Adu Zaid speaks for Iraq policy, etc...

Malcolm X beat up on Zionists and publiclly named their involvement in organizations. He began teaching from the "Protocols" during his last days in the NOI. He was successful in scaring the wrong people and it triggered a response (assassination). His teacher taught him who these people were/are. But his teacher dealt with these people more masterfully, and as a result, they were not able to assassinate him.

In the "big picture", this is a fight between Allah and the devil. Malcolm X called them the devil and he was correct. When devil is unveiled, he plays to keep.



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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:56am
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Good post Rehmat.

I would like to add that the Zionists have long funded both sides of every issue in order to exorcise complete control of the issues. Most of the time, their involvement is a closely guarded secret. This is how they can cause the "leaders" of most movements to capitulate, ...

And how they feel about the same people - The Black? Let us hear from horse's mouth:

Philadelphia Jewish weekly The Jewish Record of January 23, 1863:

"We know not how to speak in the same breath of the Negro and the Israelite. The very names have startlingly opposite sounds ­p; one representing all that is debased and inferior in the hopeless barbarity and heathenism of six thousand years the other, the days when Jehovah conferred on our fathers the glorious equality which led the Eternal to converse with them, and allow them to enjoy the communion of angels. Thus the abandoned fanatics insult the choice of God himself, in endeavoring to reverse the inferiority which he stamped on the African, to make him the compeer, even in bondage, of His chosen people.

"There is no parallel between such races. Humanity from pole to pole would scout such a comparison. The Hebrew was originally free and the charter of his liberty was inspired by his Creator. The Negro was never free and his bondage in Africa was simply duplicated in a milder form when he was imported here....The judicious in all the earth agree that to proclaim the African equal to the surrounding races, would be a farce which would lead the civilized conservatism of the world to denounce the outrage."

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