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Yusuf.

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 12:24pm

Assalamu alaikum,

A good study of the phenomenon akhi Sheikh Shariff describes is:

Postmodernism and the Other: The New Imperialism of Western Culture, by Ziauddin Sardar. Pluto Press, 1998.

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 1:43pm

Rehmat,

Too many straw horses for this old bronc buster to ride down.

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 2:04pm

Rehmat so Arab countries are not at fault for bigotry and racism? please answer

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 3:12pm

Originally posted by Israfil

Rehmat so Arab countries are not at fault for bigotry and racism? please answer

No problem. I am here to teach the ignorants of their own history.

If the Arabs have been practicing bigotry and racism - Why you think they 'liberated' Jews in Spain (711 CE), and then in Palestine (1186 CE)?

And I would not mention 'skullcap' this time.

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 6:54pm

Originally posted by Rehmat

For your ‘enlightenment’ I suggest you buy one of these books:

‘African Presence in Early America’, by Ivan Van Sertima
‘The New Internationalist History of the World’
‘Deeper Roots’, by Dr. Abdullah Hakim Quick.

Quick searches on Google suggest that these books are merely about blacks and muslims in the Americas before Colombus. Nothing about Native genocide.

As far your ‘link’ is concerned – If I keep believing what the Zionists’ (Mossad, CIA, etc.) propagandist throw on me – We would have found more WMDs in Iraq than they have in Israel – right?

Are you saying the HNN article is written by Mosad? And what does that have to do with WMDs and Iraq?

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 7:00pm

fez, I followed that link and the page lists a blog by daniel pipes as one of its featured links. you yourself know what kind of reputation pipes has among muslims. what other reaction would you expect?

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 7:18pm

Originally posted by fezziwig

Quick searches on Google suggest that these books are merely about blacks and muslims in the Americas before Colombus. Nothing about Native genocide.

Do you know the definition of 'Native'? Based on this dumb logic - only the white and non-Muslims could be 'Natives'!

And what your Google said about'Deeper Roots'? Doesn't it mention in the first chapter the same figures I quoted in the first place?

Are you saying the HNN article is written by Mosad? And what does that have to do with WMDs and Iraq?

Is the US court accept a proven liar as a genuine witness? It could be in Israel, but I am not sure about that.

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Posted: 03 April 2005 at 9:01pm

Originally posted by Yusuf.

fez, I followed that link and the page lists a blog by daniel pipes as one of its featured links. you yourself know what kind of reputation pipes has among muslims. what other reaction would you expect?

Guilt by association, Yusuf? I expected better. The same website has links to Matt Yglesias, Juan Cole, Josh Marshall, etc., but maybe they're poison to muslims, too. You tell me. Pipes is a severe critic of muslims, just as the others are (often) severe critics of US policy, but all of them are articulate and informative and it's common in US websites to group disparate views together for contrast and fairness.

If Pipes is poison and every website that links to Pipes is poison and every website that links to them is poison, then pretty soon the whole internet is offlimits. Censorship doesn't work.

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Yusuf. Senior Member Joined: 02 July 2001 Location: far from home Online Status: Offline Posts: 2385	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 12:24pm
	Assalamu alaikum, A good study of the phenomenon akhi Sheikh Shariff describes is: Postmodernism and the Other: The New Imperialism of Western Culture, by Ziauddin Sardar. Pluto Press, 1998.
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fezziwig Senior Member Joined: 29 October 2001 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1959	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 1:43pm
	Rehmat, Too many straw horses for this old bronc buster to ride down. F
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Israfil Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3984	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 2:04pm
	Rehmat so Arab countries are not at fault for bigotry and racism? please answer
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Rehmat Guest Group Joined: 28 February 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 474	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 3:12pm
	*Originally posted by Israfil* Rehmat so Arab countries are not at fault for bigotry and racism? please answer No problem. I am here to teach the ignorants of their own history. If the Arabs have been practicing bigotry and racism - Why you think they 'liberated' Jews in Spain (711 CE), and then in Palestine (1186 CE)? And I would not mention 'skullcap' this time.
	Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don’t Know Can Kill You
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fezziwig Senior Member Joined: 29 October 2001 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1959	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 6:54pm
	*Originally posted by Rehmat* For your ‘enlightenment’ I suggest you buy one of these books: ‘African Presence in Early America’, by Ivan Van Sertima ‘The New Internationalist History of the World’ ‘Deeper Roots’, by Dr. Abdullah Hakim Quick. Quick searches on Google suggest that these books are merely about blacks and muslims in the Americas before Colombus. Nothing about Native genocide. As far your ‘link’ is concerned – If I keep believing what the Zionists’ (Mossad, CIA, etc.) propagandist throw on me – We would have found more WMDs in Iraq than they have in Israel – right? Are you saying the HNN article is written by Mosad? And what does that have to do with WMDs and Iraq? F
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Yusuf. Senior Member Joined: 02 July 2001 Location: far from home Online Status: Offline Posts: 2385	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 7:00pm
	fez, I followed that link and the page lists a blog by daniel pipes as one of its featured links. you yourself know what kind of reputation pipes has among muslims. what other reaction would you expect?
	Yusuf
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Rehmat Guest Group Joined: 28 February 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 474	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 7:18pm
	*Originally posted by fezziwig* Quick searches on Google suggest that these books are merely about blacks and muslims in the Americas before Colombus. Nothing about Native genocide. Do you know the definition of 'Native'? Based on this dumb logic - only the white and non-Muslims could be 'Natives'! And what your Google said about'Deeper Roots'? Doesn't it mention in the first chapter the same figures I quoted in the first place? Are you saying the HNN article is written by Mosad? And what does that have to do with WMDs and Iraq? Is the US court accept a proven liar as a genuine witness? It could be in Israel, but I am not sure about that.
	Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don’t Know Can Kill You
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fezziwig Senior Member Joined: 29 October 2001 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1959	Posted: 03 April 2005 at 9:01pm
	*Originally posted by Yusuf.* fez, I followed that link and the page lists a blog by daniel pipes as one of its featured links. you yourself know what kind of reputation pipes has among muslims. what other reaction would you expect? Guilt by association, Yusuf? I expected better. The same website has links to Matt Yglesias, Juan Cole, Josh Marshall, etc., but maybe they're poison to muslims, too. You tell me. Pipes is a severe critic of muslims, just as the others are (often) severe critics of US policy, but all of them are articulate and informative and it's common in US websites to group disparate views together for contrast and fairness. If Pipes is poison and every website that links to Pipes is poison and every website that links to them is poison, then pretty soon the whole internet is offlimits. Censorship doesn't work. F
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