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ummziba
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Joined: 16 March 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 1158 |
![]() Topic: When we try to be scholars....Posted: 07 February 2006 at 3:37pm |
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Assalamu alaikum, I came across this elsewhere and found it very interesting and also timely (for this forum). It is a rather long read, but worth 'plowing' through, as the advice contained within is quite good. It shows that when those of us lacking in real Islamic knowledge try to be scholars, we really do ourselves a great disservice! Every one of us is capable of gaining great knowledge, but, we cannot do it by reading a few books and declaring we know better than the knowledge contained within the four schools of Islamic thought, it takes years and years.... this article shows this with great clarity: Asking for "Evidences" is a Clear Daleel of Your Ignorance |
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herjihad
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Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2473 |
![]() Posted: 07 February 2006 at 8:09pm |
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Bismillah, Islaam comes to us from Allah, SWT, directly. He inspires us, guides us, and leads us. The example the author gave here doesn't address this aspect of Islaam. What could he say negatively about the Inspiration of Allah, our Gracious Lord? Let He who guided my soul into Islaam continue to guide me and my family, ISA. I trust Allah, the Eternal, the Loving, the Protector. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Abeer23
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![]() Posted: 09 February 2006 at 12:00am |
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Excellent post sis. Ummziba, jazak allahu khairan The authur seems to have a severe dislike for "fiqh as-sunna" though salaam
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rami
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Senior Member Joined: 01 March 2000 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2550 |
![]() Posted: 09 February 2006 at 6:33am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum Fiqh as sunnah is not recognised as an authorative legal work among scholars, it was a sincere attempt to combine rulings from all the madhhabs which ultimately failed as it contains many mistakes. The author was not a scholar of high calibr and to even atempt to do such a thing you would need to be an absolute mujtahid capable of starting your own madhhab as you are placing your self at the same rank as imam abu hanifah, imam shafii, imam malik and imam ibn hanbal none of which dared to atempt such a thing. Imam ibn hanbal would not give legal rulings as long as imam shafii was still in Iraq out of respect for him. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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AhmadJoyia
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Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 1161 |
![]() Posted: 16 February 2006 at 2:49pm |
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I couldn't understang as why asking bibliogrphic evidences from a scholar is such a big trouble? Moreso, all geniune scholars provide such evidences themselves as part of their scholarly work. I really would have to doubt the scholarly abilities of such a person who doesn't provide bibliographical references for his work. This is really a strange article. Shows the same old mentality without realizing that knowledge can't be kept as inherritage. Probably he forgot to realize that in an information age, even the astro-physics or theoretical physics can be thought remotely, but yet he emphasis on using rudimentary ways of learning. The same tone is reflected when he says "........your job is just to ask for the legal rulings alone, from one of the four accepted legal schools, and to know that the rulings are based on a deep knowledge and study of the sources". From where the critical thinking can develop? I doubt if they have ever attended a course on "logical and analytical reasoning" in their rudimentary way of learning. I Know this used be taught in some earliest Islamic education systems, back in 9-12 century, under the name of 'mantik', but never heard of this name in any of their recent school system. Can anyone provide me the list of graduate level courses, that our "Islamic Scholars" go through to the stage where they can be considered as "Scholar"? I shall highly appreciate it.
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rami
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![]() Posted: 16 February 2006 at 3:36pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Ahmad you are out of touch with the muslim masses. The issues the article adresses are key issues our youth are facing, you also ridiculously expect the general public to be capable of high level analytical thinking when you know as well as i do that there is no society on earth where each and every member of it is capable of such analysis and objective thinking so to who is this article aimed at now, those who think and desire to be educated or those who follow and would like to get on with life without bothering to much with the finer details. If you note he does advise people to go learn if they truly desire to know rather than simply conjecture and speculate and create fitnah in the process. Why dont you go ask a scholar your question this would seem to be the most sensible thing to do? Simple question from what religion did you convert to islam from, im curious about your prior beliefs. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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herjihad
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![]() Posted: 17 February 2006 at 5:24am |
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Bismillah, Ahmed, I appreciate your input to this forum. Critical thinking destroyed is Islaam nullified. There can be no submission to our Glorious, Merciful Lord as humans without the ability not to submit. If people don't decide to follow Allah, SWT, what is the point in asking us to do so? I didn't decide to become a Muslim to submit to a scholar! I submit to Allah, SWT, alone. (And bullies with guns, to be honest.) |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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AhmadJoyia
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![]() Posted: 17 February 2006 at 7:47am |
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Originally posted by rami Noop my bro, Youth are not the whole focus in the article. Let us see as what he says about, mind it not the general population, but the wise men among the Muslims (doctors, engineers not in their youth but in their old age), who otherwise didn't opt to go for the rudimentary way of getting knowledge. Here is the evidence when he says "...If you have spent your life studying engineering or medicine, or pursuing business ventures, instead of seeking the sacred knowledge, and now, in your older age,....".
Ahmad you are out of touch with the muslim masses. The issues the article adresses are key issues our youth are facing,.........
Originally posted by rami
you also ridiculously expect the general public to be capable of high level analytical thinking when you know as well as i do that there is no society on earth where each and every member of it is capable of such analysis and objective thinking so to who is this article aimed at now, those who think and desire to be educated or those who follow and would like to get on with life without bothering to much with the finer details. Do you really think the doctors and engineers of a society are just "general public"? Hmm!! Then I guess, what this article saying is in order to adopt Islam one must either passively acquire dogmas of Islam without questioning them, or one must be a scholar, as like them (those who became scholars without questioning their teachers). This is really a strange view.
Originally posted by rami
If you note he does advise people to go learn if they truly desire to know rather than simply conjecture and speculate and create fitnah in the process. Bro, no need to put words in his mouth. Here it is what he says ".....you have decided to get a bit "religious", start coming to the masjid, and so on, please don't think you can do a "crash course" in the deen by reading "Fiqh us-Sunnah" or the Tafseer of Mawdudi, and come to a level where you can debate with the scholars." In the same tone he mocks them of their inclination towards learning their deen through critical thinking, to make them realize that this is not their domain where questions can be asked as they were used to, in their scientific persuits of knowledge. He thinks that "being religious" is a quality, acquired only through inheritance. This is beyond understanding. What kind of Islam is he portraying here? He further pushes the limits when he unknowingly lables knowledge to be learned only through faith and not through any other means. Note that here he uses the term "sacred disciplines" for the knowledge that must be acquired through human faculties. "Please leave the matters of the deen to those who actually did spend their youth and sacrifice many years of their lives to the study of the sacred disciplines..." Here is another instance where he uses the term "inheritance" and "scared knowledge" : "Be humble! If you want to discuss issues of Islamic Law, go and sit at the feet of the scholars, the inheritors of the prophets (may peace be upon them), and study with them. Learn from their good character as well as their knowledge, purify yourself, so that you may become a worthy recipient of the light that is the sacred knowledge." Here he seems more like a pundit of some medivial Indian cult, trying to pass on the "sacred knowledge" only to those who remain "humble=no argument?" to him. I think, its high time for such a thinking to prevail anymore. If these "Islamic Scholars" have to offer (not through begging to them, but as part of their duty), then they must come up to the requirements of the critical mind, a mind that is developed through modern learning. In fact, modern learning should be part of their own universities than considering it as an alien thingy.
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