Sad poor energy hungry west. Just always stuck in "strategic gain or disadvantage".

Sad, but the days are now just numbered. Ze party is over. Try whichever what way. Come back to thy roots our poor poor Community. All will be forgiven.

Wow, great replies.  I did come to the right web forum!

Community, I hope you are correct.  If so, I feel sorry for the rest of the Iranians who are now stuck with an extermist leadership.  In a way, they are as helpless as millions of Americans who strongly disagree with their extremist leadership.

Whisper, I agree the war has been going on for ages.   But President Ahmadinejad's comments seemed designed to provoke a wider conflict.  As it it now, American war planes aren't bombing Iran... yet.  If the hot heads on both sides don't cool down the rhetoric, a greater conflict seems unavoidable.

I believe in the teachings of M.K. Ghandi: "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."

I see nothing good coming from increased violence.  All I see is increased suffering and injustice.  But if you want to know my opinion about this conflict, check out my posts as earth_as_one, starting at post 10 ... until the last page.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_to pic;f=53;t=000100;p=1

This forum is predominantly American, but it has strict rules about personal attacks and genuinely respects free speech.  All opinions are welcome.  However, when the debate seemed to be going nowhere, the moderator locked the string down.  No more posts.  But at least many Americans on that forum got some badly needed facts.

Voiceoftawheed... in that string above, I stated that the post WW II Jewish refugee problem was a European problem and it would have made more sense to put Israel in Germany, rather than in Palestine.  That was two months ago.  When Ahmadinejad recently made the same suggestion, it made me wonder if he read my posts???

But Ahmadinejad he is wrong about the Holocaust.  It did happen.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/

Not all the victims were Jewish, but its a fact that millions of the victims were Jewish and they were killed because of their race/religion.  Its wasn't the first time... or the last time... such a thing happened.

I also disgree with wiping Israel off the map.  Solving past and present injustices by creating new injustices is how we got into this mess in the first place.  Most Israeli citizens want peace.

I have a Jewish friend who moved to Israel from Russia.  When he found out the land he was granted for building a home was recently stolen from Palestinians, he moved to Canada.  On moral and ethical grounds he could not accept a gift originating from theft.  Many Jews feel the same way.  Many more are simply unaware of where the land came from.  Others know, but don't care, for a variety of reasons.

In effect Europeans did the same thing to the first nations here in North America.

http://www.crystalinks.com/nativeamericans.html

What happened to the first nation's people was savage and cruel.  But its too late to undo the injustices.  Only their descendants remain.  All we can hope to do now is arrive at an equitable settlement with their descendants.  To some degree Canada has been successful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunngavik_Federation_of_Nunavut

But mostly we have failed.

But in the case of Palestine, its not too late.  Many in the west are becoming aware and want to do something.  But Ahmadinejad's comments aren't helpful.  They actually increase the power of those who hold anti-Muslim, anti-Islam opinions and weaken voices of reason.

I suggest that sticking to the facts.  The truth is damaging enough as it is.  We don't need to deny history.