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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:21am
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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2005 at 12:34pm

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I never expected you to face the truth - and that's what we call 'self-denial' in English.

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2005 at 1:16pm

On April 6, 2005, PBS Frontline aired an interesting documentary entitled ‘Israel's Next War’, which made clear that most, if not all, of the Jewish extremists that this PBS documentary chose to focus on were followers of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, who was an advocate of forcing all Arabs out of the land of Israel. In conjunction with this, he also waged a campaign to rid Israel of all Christian missionaries and pseudo-Christian cults. This brings out yet another irony, since the Dispensationalist Evangelical Christian who staunchly support Israel will end up having their so-called "Good News" banned from it. Not only that, but many of the Arabs that Rabbi Kahane and other Jewish extremists want to expel from Israel are Arab (Palestinian) Christians. The irony here being that Dispensationalist Christians will only be able to get the "righteous" Israel which they so fervently desire if grave injustices are committed against fellow (albeit Arab) Christians.

 

Here is the story of this racist Jewish ‘holyman’.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane

 

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2005 at 4:24pm
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On April 6, 2005, PBS Frontline aired an interesting documentary entitled ‘Israel's Next War’, which made clear that most, if not all, of the Jewish extremists that this PBS documentary chose to focus on were followers of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, ..........

True, but I don't know if they (extremists) represent any significant % of population in whole Israel? At least from the documentary it was appeared that they are in very small %. Probably that is the reason that the government still take chances to restrict them. Any statistics on that??

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2005 at 3:44am

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...True, but I don't know if they (extremists) represent any significant % of population in whole Israel? At least from the documentary it was appeared that they are in very small %. Probably that is the reason that the government still take chances to restrict them. Any statistics on that??

It all depends how you perceive 'extremists'. 95% of Jewish population in Israel consists of European and Moroccan settlers, who grabbed native Muslim and Christian land by 'hook or crook'. If they have true followers of Moses' Law (like Torah Jews who opposes the very existence of Zionist State) - they would not have applied those 'extremist nature as preached by Talmud). Therefore, to me - with counting 'democratic heads' - all those Jews are 'extremists'.

Israeli government actions against the 'extremists' is just a Zionist ploy to fool the Arabs and the world. They have been playing such 'deceptive measures' since 1950s - while grabbing more and more Palestinian land on continuos basis - so much so that now over three million natives inside PA lives on less than 20% land and allowed to consume 10% of its water resources.

BTW - The Jewish population of Palestine just before WW I was 5% and they owned only 2.5% land (UN records).

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2005 at 7:01am
I don't disagree with your analysis for the evil designs of state of Israel. However, this may not necessarily be applied to the people (the individuals) living in it since long time (at least 50 years now); as we know that the children of initial settlers may not be called the settlers themselves. Hence may not be grouped together in the same basket, in general. However, I do take your statistics a grave concern and may term it a "Terrorist state" than "terrorist people". 
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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2005 at 10:03am

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....However, this may not necessarily be applied to the people (the individuals) living in it since long time (at least 50 years now); as we know that the children of initial settlers....

You mean you believe in might is right and not morality.

If settlers children lived for 50 years - What would you say about the Arab Muslim and Christian children who lived in the same land for 1300 year before these European settler invaded?

Was not the same logic the Christian missionaries used when they gave 'Fatwas' to European settlers to practice ethnic-cleansing of Native Americans - which resulted in massacre of 100-180 million people?

Oh, one thing more to support your theory - When the survival of Israel is inquestion - Jewish morality doesn't come into the picture - David Gurion.

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2005 at 2:25pm

Dear Bro Rehmat,

Probably you are too far streching my opinion to make a case of "might" vs "morality". That was not my intentions. All I am trying to convey is to filter out the typical styreotype allegations against Jews as Jewish religion and treat them same as people living in a state which has a terrorist ideology for the expansion of their territorial land or as I called them "terrorist state". If we happen to  talk to some individuals in that state, we should be carefull not to list that individual as extremist or terrorist based on our image about that state. What applies to their state is not necessarily be true while dealing with the individuals in that state. I hope I have cleared myself. I feel that we should develop a sense of mutual respect for each other once we are talking to each other at an individual's level. Try to listen to their arguments and similarly convey them our own views about them. The first thing is to learn about the individual's own belief and faith and then talk to them about their idea of state actions. Asking more and "listen" than "saying" is the best rule that I have found with my own little experience. And if they happen to accede to your view, then instead of discouraging them by calling them .......(names)..its better to rather encourage them for their moral ethics to accept the basic norms of morality. This way we all shall be able to create more harmony among us than discord. One personal suggestion for you brother (if you like it then take it but if you don't then simply ignore it that it never existed). Knowledge without wisdom is useless; and in that sense, use your knowledge wisely. With your argumentive based knowlegde you may win over a debate but may not the "hearts". Think what is more important and decide for your own self. May Allah bless us all. Amen.

 

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