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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2005 at 4:30pm

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.... Knowledge without wisdom is useless; and in that sense, use your knowledge wisely. With your argumentive based knowlegde you may win over a debate but may not the "hearts". Think what is more important and decide for your own self. May Allah bless us all. Amen....

Let me introduce you to the 'Reality Channel - Knowledge is for the seeker - but wisdom is a God-given gift - Since you pretend to got both of them - Let me the first one to congratulate you.

As for your 'vision' of 'Terrorists, innocent Israelis, and the good Jews' - let some practicing Jew bring you out of your great perspective of Palestinian situation - No other than some Rabbis.

http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm 

And once you finish listening to them - do yourself a favour by not believing everything CNN or Saudis propagandist tell you.

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Quote Shams Zaman Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2005 at 2:19pm

Dear Ahmed Joya

Sorry for the late reply. Well dear we all use different logics and different assumptions for various things. Christians have thier own, Muslima their own and Jews have their own. Its not always that your logic matches with the other. Similarly we may share the same religion but use different logic. For me the Shbbahas(RA) are equally authentic but a degree lesser to the Prophet's Hadiths. The Haduth did not came from the Angel Gabrail but from the Sahabbah so if you do not consider their quote as authentic perhaps the Hadith will also become un-authentic. Similarly if some scientific fact goes against your faith or logic you certainly will refute it. I disagree with the Darwin theory regardless of the point whether science consider it to be worthwile or not. Regarding the question of whether we are heading towards the end of this world or net or not you can just type Signs of Dooms day in your search engine and you will see what the Holy Prophet has fortold us in this regard. I am sure you will reach the right conclusion. Give me some time and I will translate it on a document to send it to you (Insha Allah). If I lived till that time.

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2005 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by Rehmat

Let me introduce you to the 'Reality Channel - Knowledge is for the seeker - but wisdom is a God-given gift - Since you pretend to got both of them - Let me the first one to congratulate you.

No, thanks! let me remain fool and unwise (atleast a door open to improve upon myself).

Originally posted by Rehmat

As for your 'vision' of 'Terrorists, innocent Israelis, and the good Jews' - let some practicing Jew bring you out of your great perspective of Palestinian situation - No other than some Rabbis.

http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm 

Your link seems to support my stance more than ever. Think, if any of these Rabbis happen to converse with you on this forum, how would you deal with him?

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And once you finish listening to them - do yourself a favour by not believing everything CNN or Saudis propagandist tell you.

Got it. But, I think I am already under the debt of your knowledge about them.  

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2005 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by Shams Zaman

Dear Ahmed Joya

Sorry for the late reply. Well dear we all use different logics and different assumptions for various things. Christians have thier own, Muslima their own and Jews have their own. Its not always that your logic matches with the other. Similarly we may share the same religion but use different logic. For me the Shbbahas(RA) are equally authentic but a degree lesser to the Prophet's Hadiths. The Haduth did not came from the Angel Gabrail but from the Sahabbah so if you do not consider their quote as authentic perhaps the Hadith will also become un-authentic. Similarly if some scientific fact goes against your faith or logic you certainly will refute it. I disagree with the Darwin theory regardless of the point whether science consider it to be worthwile or not. Regarding the question of whether we are heading towards the end of this world or net or not you can just type Signs of Dooms day in your search engine and you will see what the Holy Prophet has fortold us in this regard. I am sure you will reach the right conclusion. Give me some time and I will translate it on a document to send it to you (Insha Allah). If I lived till that time.

Shams Zaman      Pakistan   ; ; smszmn72@yahoo.com

Kindly let me know if I am wrong in any of my observations about your article. I have raised specific objections in your references on which you based your conclusion and would like to know your specific responses on them.

This is exactly what I meant from my comments that you also seem to agree with me but with different wording. Your quote "For me the Shbbahas(RA) are equally authentic but a degree lesser to the Prophet's Hadiths." However, I also gave the reason for this that Sahaba didn't claim to have the divine revelations that they could relate matters concerning to the creation of adam or "who ruled earth before adam". This kind of knowledge is exclusively from prophet Mohammad or Quran. There is nothing deregoratory about Sahaba in it. So unless it is a hadith of Prophet Mohammad that any Sahaba is referencing from, though I would not dare to say that the Sahaba is wrong, but to say that the hadith might be "weak". Hope this would clear up any misconceptions about me, if you had any. Hope to hear more constructive reply on my previous questions than invoking new ones. May Allah help us all. Regards

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2005 at 2:57pm

Originally posted by AhmadJoyia

...No, thanks! let me remain fool and unwise (atleast a door open to improve upon myself).

There is no copulsion in religion - at least in Islam.

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