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Posted: 06 April 2005 at 5:56pm

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....The Sunnah is not a set of rituals, the rituals develop the individual to accomplish the Sunnah. I believe Sunnah is to resurrect human life.

I agree with the above statement - But where you find something against it in my earlier post?

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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 4:40am

Salaam Everyone,

I have just joined in this forum, hoping that I would gain more knowledge by exchanging ideas and information.

Some Muslim in my country believes that we as a Muslim could use foul languages, what I mean by foul languages here are those really dirty words when one could hardly even bear to hear it. Worst still, one of the spiritual leader here (who is also the leader of an Islamic Party) supporting this by saying Allah is also using it..astaghfirullah..

Tell me what do you think, are these people Jahil ?

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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 7:03am

Originally posted by raihanah

Salaam Everyone,

I have just joined in this forum, hoping that I would gain more knowledge by exchanging ideas and information.

Tell me what do you think, are these people Jahil ?

Greetings,

I spent a few years fasting at a very high level of discipline (one meal every three days), all while living and working amongst pure savages. This was very difficult because, when the body, heart and mind are purified, it becomes very difficult to relate to the people who are only focused on gratifying their appetites (food, sex, drugs, etc...). Just to hear someone swear literally hurt in my soul. I was hyper sensitive to everything within a certain radius of me.

Yet I could not pass judgement on others. The Law of Islam has grades. I believe that each is judged by the grade of righteousness they practice.

3:163. There are grades with Allah. And Allah is Seer of what they do.

Thank you.

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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 7:16am

"Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should say something good or keep quiet." [Bukhari]

Yet another hadith reminds us about the far reaching consequences of the words we utter. "Sometimes a person says something good but he does not realize how far will his words go. Yet it earns him the pleasure of Allah till the day he will meet Him. On the other hand sometimes a person says something bad, although he does not realize how far his words will go. Yet it earns him the wrath of Allah till the day he will meet Him." [Tirmizi, Ibn Maja, Muwwata Imam Malik].

“A believer is never a person who scoffs at others, calls them names, or utters vulgar and obscene phrases” (Tirmithi).

The Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam said: “The one who starts abusing his fellow Muslim and calling him names bears the sin of both, unless the abused person uses more vulgar phrases than the first”. (Muslim)

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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 8:09am

4:148. Allah loves not the public utterance of hurtful speech, except by one who has been wronged. And Allah is ever Hearing, Knowing.

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Posted: 08 April 2005 at 12:18am

Thank you Blond and Abuayisha,

In fact, this is what I have already tried to explain to them in one of the online forum that we had. Unfortunately, some of them are real steadfast, sticking to the untruth and love practising it even while exchanging ideas in forum.

Of course I do not seek that they change their mind so quick, but the fact that some Muslim here believe this kind of nonsense is just very disappointing.

Blond, I am so sorry to ask, are you a Christian? Because I have some christian friend who would be fasting for week and they took only water or liquid (except milk) during their fasting.

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Posted: 08 April 2005 at 4:40am

Originally posted by raihanah

Thank you Blond and Abuayisha,

Of course I do not seek that they change their mind so quick, but the fact that some Muslim here believe this kind of nonsense is just very disappointing.

Blond, I am so sorry to ask, are you a Christian? Because I have some christian friend who would be fasting for week and they took only water or liquid (except milk) during their fasting.

I find it interesting that the name "Christianity" was given to the followers of Jesus by Jesus' enemies. The name means: to be Crystalized into oneness with God, by following the example of Jesus. A study of the process of crystalization would give the reader a deeper understanding of the concept.

I am striving to be a Muslim, an upright man.

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Posted: 08 April 2005 at 5:12am

Originally posted by blond

....I find it interesting that the name "Christianity" was given to the followers of Jesus by Jesus' enemies. ....

Historically that's not true. It has been custom among many communities, in the past and present' to name their faith, sects, and cities after their leaders, ethnic or nationality. For example, Isra'elites took their name from prophet Yaqub (Jacob); Judaism from Judah (the pervert); Hinduism from their country Hind; Buddhism from its founder, Lord Buddha; Jainism from its founder, Jain, and similarly Christianity took its name from Lord Christ.

However, the early followers of prophet Eass (as) used to call themselves 'Nazarene' - after his birth-place - the town of Nazereth. They even had their own Gospel - written by Jesus' scribe - his half-brother Barnabas.

Wa Salaam.

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Rehmat Guest Group Joined: 28 February 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 474	Posted: 06 April 2005 at 5:56pm
	*Originally posted by blond* ....The Sunnah is not a set of rituals, the rituals develop the individual to accomplish the Sunnah. I believe Sunnah is to resurrect human life. I agree with the above statement - But where you find something against it in my earlier post?
	Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don’t Know Can Kill You
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raihanah Starter Joined: 06 April 2005 Location: Malaysia Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Posted: 07 April 2005 at 4:40am
	Salaam Everyone, I have just joined in this forum, hoping that I would gain more knowledge by exchanging ideas and information. Some Muslim in my country believes that we as a Muslim could use foul languages, what I mean by foul languages here are those really dirty words when one could hardly even bear to hear it. Worst still, one of the spiritual leader here (who is also the leader of an Islamic Party) supporting this by saying Allah is also using it..astaghfirullah.. Tell me what do you think, are these people Jahil ?
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blond Senior Member Joined: 30 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 218	Posted: 07 April 2005 at 7:03am
	*Originally posted by raihanah* Salaam Everyone, I have just joined in this forum, hoping that I would gain more knowledge by exchanging ideas and information. Some Muslim in my country believes that we as a Muslim could use foul languages, what I mean by foul languages here are those really dirty words when one could hardly even bear to hear it. Worst still, one of the spiritual leader here (who is also the leader of an Islamic Party) supporting this by saying Allah is also using it..astaghfirullah.. Tell me what do you think, are these people Jahil ? Greetings, I spent a few years fasting at a very high level of discipline (one meal every three days), all while living and working amongst pure savages. This was very difficult because, when the body, heart and mind are purified, it becomes very difficult to relate to the people who are only focused on gratifying their appetites (food, sex, drugs, etc...). Just to hear someone swear literally hurt in my soul. I was hyper sensitive to everything within a certain radius of me. Yet I could not pass judgement on others. The Law of Islam has grades. I believe that each is judged by the grade of righteousness they practice. 3:163. There are grades with Allah. And Allah is Seer of what they do. Thank you.
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4014	Posted: 07 April 2005 at 7:16am
	"Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should say something good or keep quiet." [Bukhari] Yet another hadith reminds us about the far reaching consequences of the words we utter. "Sometimes a person says something good but he does not realize how far will his words go. Yet it earns him the pleasure of Allah till the day he will meet Him. On the other hand sometimes a person says something bad, although he does not realize how far his words will go. Yet it earns him the wrath of Allah till the day he will meet Him." [Tirmizi, Ibn Maja, Muwwata Imam Malik]. *“A believer is never a person who scoffs at others, calls them names, or utters vulgar and obscene phrases”* (Tirmithi). The Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam said: *“The one who starts abusing his fellow Muslim and calling him names bears the sin of both, unless the abused person uses more vulgar phrases than the first”.* (Muslim)
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blond Senior Member Joined: 30 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 218	Posted: 07 April 2005 at 8:09am
	4:148. Allah loves not the public utterance of hurtful speech, except by one who has been wronged. And Allah is ever Hearing, Knowing.
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raihanah Starter Joined: 06 April 2005 Location: Malaysia Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Posted: 08 April 2005 at 12:18am
	Thank you Blond and Abuayisha, In fact, this is what I have already tried to explain to them in one of the online forum that we had. Unfortunately, some of them are real steadfast, sticking to the untruth and love practising it even while exchanging ideas in forum. Of course I do not seek that they change their mind so quick, but the fact that some Muslim here believe this kind of nonsense is just very disappointing. Blond, I am so sorry to ask, are you a Christian? Because I have some christian friend who would be fasting for week and they took only water or liquid (except milk) during their fasting.
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blond Senior Member Joined: 30 March 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 218	Posted: 08 April 2005 at 4:40am
	*Originally posted by raihanah* Thank you Blond and Abuayisha, In fact, this is what I have already tried to explain to them in one of the online forum that we had. Unfortunately, some of them are real steadfast, sticking to the untruth and love practising it even while exchanging ideas in forum. Of course I do not seek that they change their mind so quick, but the fact that some Muslim here believe this kind of nonsense is just very disappointing. Blond, I am so sorry to ask, are you a Christian? Because I have some christian friend who would be fasting for week and they took only water or liquid (except milk) during their fasting. I find it interesting that the name "Christianity" was given to the followers of Jesus by Jesus' enemies. The name means: to be Crystalized into oneness with God, by following the example of Jesus. A study of the process of crystalization would give the reader a deeper understanding of the concept. I am striving to be a Muslim, an upright man.
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Rehmat Guest Group Joined: 28 February 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 474	Posted: 08 April 2005 at 5:12am
	*Originally posted by blond* ....I find it interesting that the name "Christianity" was given to the followers of Jesus by Jesus' enemies. .... Historically that's not true. It has been custom among many communities, in the past and present' to name their faith, sects, and cities after their leaders, ethnic or nationality. For example, Isra'elites took their name from prophet Yaqub (Jacob); Judaism from Judah (the pervert); Hinduism from their country Hind; Buddhism from its founder, Lord Buddha; Jainism from its founder, Jain, and similarly Christianity took its name from Lord Christ. However, the early followers of prophet Eass (as) used to call themselves 'Nazarene' - after his birth-place - the town of Nazereth. They even had their own Gospel - written by Jesus' scribe - his half-brother Barnabas. Wa Salaam.
	Know your enemy! No time to waste. Act now! Tomorrow it will be too late What You Don’t Know Can Kill You
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