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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2005 at 9:01am
Sad chap, get your idiotic troops out of our back yards and we won't even wish to know the characterless, cultureless MacMuncers ever in our lives. Just look at your ownself, who would wish to know the likes of you?
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Quote kenski70 Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2005 at 3:22pm

what do Muslims care how you live, get out of our countries and stop interfering in our way of life.

and before you even think of writing it, the west props up these dictators don't apose the people and we will rid our self of them.

You have to admit this IS funny coming from a Muslim living in a western country. By the way your freedom you enjoy now in Australia was paid for with American blood. It was the mighty US Navy that sank the Japanese invasion fleet of 100,000 troops bound for Australia if you don't believe that look up the battle of Coral Sea. Isn't it nice to know YOUR very freedom came from America....Im not going to deny that the US has been allied with some shady leaders in the mid-east. but really name me some of those leaders that were great without being aligned with the west? And if you were in the shoes of the British and Americans after WWII, and you had to find a place for 26 million Jews displaced by the war where would you put them? They put them where even the Koran said they came from. If you don't believe that Abraham was a JEW! and when all the Muslim countries around them swear to destroy them yes we will defend them. And yes sometimes the locals do rise up and depose their leader(like the shah) but cmon do yo really think the iraqis would have done the same to saddam? Not a chance.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2005 at 8:07am

Are you some robot or jus find it difficult to understand plain simple English? Rami's post read:

what do Muslims care how you live, get out of our countries and stop interfering in our way of life.
Period, as they say in your country.

Or, is it that you don't now what you are replying to?

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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2005 at 10:25am

There are many soldiers who were in places like Vietnam who did the honorable thing by following their leaders into a war that they realized too late that it was not right.

Most people are brainwashed here to agree with the government no matter what it does. To go against it, is to difficult for people.  We are raised in a world that say to question is to be 'unpatriotic'. There are no doubt people who went to Iraq with that patriotic fever who question it now. But will not do so publicly or risked being called a traitor.

The US went to war because George Bush did not like Saddam Hussein. The leaders of the current government are extremely adept at changing their story and manipulating the information.  We were to go in to get rid of WMD. When they weren't found it was to get 'free the Iraqi' people.  Considering people know nothing about the Middle East or those in the State Department were ignored I distrust that they really care about the average Iraqi.

You have to admit this IS funny coming from a Muslim living in a western country. By the way your freedom you enjoy now in Australia was paid for with American blood.

What happened 50-60 years ago around WWII was a different era, and the fact that the world was at war. It was global.  The war in the Pacific was between two Imperialist nations-US and Japan. (For after Spain left the Philippines the US took over.) The US has certain good points, just like every place. But to think it has not been imperialist is foolish.

Frankly if we really cared about people and want to help maybe we should go and ‘free’ the billion people under communist rule in China. They make Saddam look like small potatoes.  

And if you were in the shoes of the British and Americans after WWII, and you had to find a place for 26 million Jews displaced by the war where would you put them? 

Well in Europe please. To create a false-boundary nation-state in an area that was not theirs to decide then no they should not have put it there. As we are proponents of freedom and democracy it is not like we let the people who were there to vote on it. Where was are decency and respect given then? Frankly, not that European Jews may have wanted it, they should have been given Germany. To take land from those living in the Middle East was making them pay the price for what happened, not Germany. The Germans should have lost their land.

And yes sometimes the locals do rise up and depose their leader(like the shah) but cmon do yo really think the iraqis would have done the same to saddam? Not a chance.

Oh yes, someone would have deposed him. It happens all the time. Its great to view the US as the ‘savior’. That is convenient to justify our actions.  When the Kurds tried to do it back in the early 1990s right after the gulf war, the US did not support them. So many people died because of this war. Average people. It is easy to justify war if it is not on your home soil. Maybe that is why Europeans are less likely to support war as they have mixed through wars on their soil. They have seen what it does. We are distant from its affects here in the US. Other people are not ‘wimps’, more knowledgeable I think, and more cautious.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2005 at 10:30am
Brother Hayfa, grea post but sadly in response to an extremely limited chap. Just pray for him instead of feeding him with response.
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Quote kenski70 Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2005 at 11:20am

Are you some robot or jus find it difficult to understand plain simple English? Rami's post read:

what do Muslims care how you live, get out of our countries and stop interfering in our way of life.
Period, as they say in your country.

Or, is it that you don't now what you are replying to?

Hello?????? You read the first line of my post? That answered Rami's statement  just fine I think. A Muslim living in a western country, enjoying freedom provided by us evil Americans, complaining about westerners in Muslim countries. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Sorry about that turn signal,I must have fallen asleep.
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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2005 at 2:14pm
i know, most Amreekis think they are the Gaads of this Earth and they "provide" Life, Freedom and everything to people of this world. But, sadly this status yet remains unconfirmed and a mere fantasy.
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Quote Muslim Friend Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2005 at 2:53pm
Excellant post Hayfa, well said.
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