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Quote Laleh Replybullet Posted: 12 August 2014 at 10:26pm
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So, we can see that Sheik Ron never actually bothered to read Yusuf Ali's commentary.

No, I've never seen that commentary.  I was quoting the footnote in my own hard copy of the Quran, The Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an by Abdullah Yusuf Ali (third edition, 1938), a gift from my father-in-law.  I quoted the entire footnote except for a reference to another footnote about the Sabians.

Can you tell me who actually wrote the text you linked to?  It is evidently based on the Yusuf Ali translation, but it doesn't name the author or give the publication date.  It's also odd that the file name of the PDF doesn't match the title page (the "Glorious" Qur'an, versus the "Noble" Qur'an).

I'm assuming it's a later edition, in which Ali noticed the contradiction and tried to explain it away -- but it just won't work.  Like you, he wants to add stuff to the verses that simply isn't there.  Verse 5:69 is straightforward: righteous Jews and Christians shall have no fear or grief in the Hereafter.  That's what it says.  It doesn't say that they have to believe in Muhammad (which would be silly because Christians and Jews by definition don't believe in Muhammad); and it isn't limited to the period prior to Muhammad.  You can make up whatever you want, but it's not in the Quran.


Sorry Mr Ron, Muslims who are proficient in classical Arabic would not accept your argument. Any commentary or translation into English or any other language would be the commentary basically of the  translator, which is not necessarily what is written in Arabic in the Quran. Until you can speak read and write classical Arabic all commentaries are a guideline and not necessarily "gospel" as some of you would put it. I would refer you to the scholars.
24:35...Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.
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Quote Muslim75 Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2014 at 10:52am
Dear poster who call yourself "Power of God",
 
First, it seems you do not really understand what the power of God is, so that is why you may call yourself as such. I can not call you as such and I suggest you change your user name as this is highly offensive.
 
I do not like to respond to you for you are insulting Islam and the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, the master of all nations, and the penultimate king. There are some things I would like to say to you, however.
 
I believe muslims have a greater right to Jesus than you. Christians say he was crucified and this crucifixion carries away the sins of all human beings. Jesus was not crucified, in our faith. It was his betrayer, Judas Iscariot who was made to look like Jesus and so they seized him and thinking it was Jesus. Judas Iscariot kept telling them he was not Jesus but they crucified him anyway, while Jesus was raised to the heavens. You find the story in "the Book of Deceits", an ancient book translated into french by the late Rene Khawam. Muslims have tremendous love for Jesus, who, once, lying down on the ground with his head resting on a rock, suddenly threw the rock away saying: "this is the lower world" (story of Imam Ghazzali). The Qur'an says "sister of Harun". The tafsir (commentary of the Qur'an) of Suyuti says she is a descendant of Harun. What christians need to do is to recognize the prophethood, the holiness and the heavenliness of Muhammad (saw). They accept Jesus, and so they must now accept Muhammad (saw). This is fundamental. The jews accept Moses. They must accept Jesus. Then they must accept Muhammad (saw). It is fundamental.
 
The Qur'an is not a book to be understood as it is read. Rather, only select people, people of knowledge understand the Qur'an. The question is who are the knowledgeable men (Ulama). The Qur'an is not meant for literal reading and understanding. So also are the hadiths. Of course there are verses and hadiths the meaning of which are obvious. That is something else. As to the bible that is read today, it is unauthentic. It is not the bible, the Injil that was revealed to Jesus; for the Injil was revealed to Jesus. A word of God, not Jesus, revealed to Jesus who is the spirit of Allah and His word (Imam Jazuli). Moses is the interlocutor of Allah and His confident. Muhammad (saw) is the beloved of Allah and His intimate. The Qur'an is Allah's ancient word, meaning it was not written at one point of time, it existed before eternity.
 
What I said to you in my previous post is what I maintain. Jesus is not coming back. If you have another belief, it will fail you. Muslim scholars for long have exalted the eminence of Al Mahdi. Muhammad (saw) spoke in a context and in a specific time period. He says whatever he says accordingly. Muhammad (saw) and the prophets were sent as teachers. (Imam Ghazzali). For example, Muhammad's frowning and turning away from Ibn Umm Maktum, as the Qur'an mentions (Surah 80) is teaching. Jesus knew who would betray him but he was teaching. Prophets are teachers.
 
You may re-read my previous post. Al Mahdi, Sultan, is here. He owns the land and the people.
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2014 at 2:44pm
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Originally posted by Power of GOD

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Will muslims accept Jesus as thier saviour when he apears on the clouds now.

 

Matthew 24:30  "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.  they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.  </SMALL>

<SMALL><FONT face=Verdana>Matthew 24: 36-39  No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.   For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;  and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.  That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.</SMALL>



























                       
Dear poster,

 

Quoting the bible is inapropriate as the original book has been altered. Whatever people read in the bible today can not be related to the original, real bible. It is not so for the Holy Qur'an and the authentic hadiths. It has been preserved, as we all know. If you want a proof of it, ask the scholars about that.

 

In an authentic hadith in Bukhari, Muhammad says Isa shall return in the end of times amongst the muslims, but he will be under the leadership of Imam Mahdi. We know from that hadith that Imam Mahdi is superior to Jesus. Moreover, Jesus is not actually coming back on earth. Prophets have symbolic dimensions so that when a prophet is mentioned, his symbolism is mentioned. Jesus represents many things, among which life, prophethood, bliss, wandering, etc...(See Rumi, Ibn Arabi among others). Muhammad speaks according to the need of the people at the time of his speaking. What he said was meant for the people of his time, 1400 years ago. He could not explain it in another way. It was "complicated" to say something else, something which would cause confusion.

 

There is only Mahdi, Sultan. He is here now and owns the land and the people.

If you have read the quran and the hadiths properly you will see it is not a patch near to to word of a god cause it permits adultary and murder and looting.

 

Quran says in Surah 17:32-34. "Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning)."But in Quran itself you can find that adultery is permitted as we read in Surah 2:230. "So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand."

<SPAN style="COLOR: #550000">We see that Muhammad was willing to marry his adopted son's wife.</SPAN> <SPAN style="COLOR: #550000">So Allah permitted him by changing the rules</SPAN> as we read in Surah 33:50, "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."Killing innocent people is permitted in Surah 4:89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- Quran tells us that Mary the mother of Jesus was sister of Aaron as we read in Surah 19:28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" If we read further we can understand that it was spoken about Jesus' mother Mary Surah 19:34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute,  And Surah 66:12 says, "And Mary, daughter of Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures, and was of the obedient."

 

This is jsut to show how laughable islamic noncence was I don't who was there so called scribe or thinker was of the quran.

 


<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =MsoBlockText>Jesus Will Institute Islamic Law ALAH'S LAW OR WHAT IN THIS STATEMENT THE WRITER MAKE THE IMAM AND JESUS THAT  NARATER IS INFERIOR TO MAHDI AND MUHAMMED SO IMAM AND JESUS ARE ABOVE allah so they will apear before allah this is just showing countless flaws in the quran and hadiths that prophets is above thier so called allah


 

<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =MsoBlockText>While the Mahdi, as the Caliph (vice-regent) and Imam (leader) of the Muslims is clearly seen as being a superior to Jesus, Jesus is still said to be a leader of the Muslim Community.  According to the Islamic traditions, Jesus’ primary purpose will be to oversee the institution and the enforcement of the Islamic Shariah law all over the world.


 

 


 



 


What a simpleton you are. We went through most of what you wrote in other threads so do a 'search' and you will find all the answers.

This is what happens on this forum, Christians join this forum one after the other making the same old tired arguments and we have to repeat the answers, it gets tiring after a while.
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2014 at 2:46pm
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<FONT size=4 face=Arial>Islamic teaching is that all created things at an appointed time will be annihilated, and then resurrected for judgment before Allah. The exact date and time of this event, known as Yawm al-Qiyamah (literally Day of Resurrection), is known to Allah alone (Qur'an Surah 7:187, 31:34, 33:63), but the Qur'an says it will come suddenly (Surah 7:187; 12:107; 21:40; 22:55; 29:53; 39:55; 43:66; 47:18). Belief in the Last Days, in particular the Day of Judgment, is listed as the fifth Article of Faith in Islam, and therefore an essential element of the Islamic faith. All Muslims are expected to believe in it. Islam considers that all the prophets since the time of Noah have taught about the Qiyamah to their followers, but that Muhammad told his followers in much greater details about it. In particular, Muhammad said that the prophets have warned their followers about ad-Dajjal (Muslim version of the Antichrist, not to be confused with the Antichrist in the Bible). For example, we read in the hadiths:



<FONT size=4 face=Arial>Narrated AbuUbaydah ibn al-Jarrah:


<FONT size=4 face=Arial>I heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say: There has been no Prophet after Noah who has not warned his people about the antichrist (Dajjal), and I warn you of him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) described him to us, saying: Perhaps some who have seen me and heard my words will live till his time. The people asked: Apostle of Allah! what will be the condition of our hearts on that day? Like what we are today? He replied: Or better. (Sunan Abu Dawud 40.4738)


<FONT size=4 face=Arial>Even though Muhammad speculated that some Muslim believers might live till the last days when ad-Dajjal appears, this was not to be the case. The hadiths recorded that Muhammad sometimes preached sermons on the Qiyamah for many hours. It is also said that the Companions of Muhammad also taught the hadiths to their children and instructed them to also teach their children. Thus, teachings about Qiyamah is something that is taught and passed down by Muslims from generation to generation, reflecting its importance in the Islamic faith. As such, many Muslims will be familiar with the teachings on Qiyamah, about the coming of al-Mahdi, about the coming of Isa (Islamic name for Jesus) and the coming of ad-Dajjal.


Okay tell me how is it possible that you can believe that there is anti christ  if Muhammad convinced muslim there is no Christ and his hilarious discription of the so called Dajjal he was a sick psycopath where did he came upon this.

 

He is blind in the left and the right eye make up your which eye muhammad.

 

 

<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0in 0.6in 0pt 0.4in" =Msonormal>Allah's Messenger made a mention of Dajjal in the presence of the people and said: Allah is not one-eyed and behold that Dajjal is blind of the right eye and his eye would be like a floating grape.


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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 0in 0.6in 0pt 0.4in" =Msonormal>Allah's Messenger said: Dajjal is blind of left eye with thick hair and there would be a garden and fire with him and his fire would be a garden and his garden would be fire.


 

 He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a giant mule… He will travel the entire world.”  As strange as this is, it also bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry.


<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify" align=left><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">He will be blind in the right eye, and that it would be like a floating grape, unstable in the socket.</SPAN>


<SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">The left eye will also be defective, but he sees through this eye, and it will have a thick film like that of a finger nail over it, and the color of it will be green like glass, it will reflect like a shining star. [Reported by Ali (ra)


</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">His complexion will be red&white. Meaning, White – with redness in it.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">His forehead will be prominent, meaning Large and Protruding.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">His neck would be wide, more like those of the bodybuilders. He will be powerfully built.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">His back will tend to be curved, bent. Since his body will be powerfully built.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">His feet wide set apart. Normally when people<SPAN id=more-1225></SPAN> walk, their feet turn inwards; his will be wide set apart. Again, due to his powerfully built body.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">He will have a lot of hair on his head, which will be curls and locks. Like small headed snakes coiled together.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">He will be sterile, and will not have any children. (Implied from the hadith where dajjal is said to resembles Ibn Qatan – mentioned as follow.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">He most resembles Abdul Uzza Ibn Qatan, from the al-Mustaliq tribe of Khuza’a (who died in the pre-Islamic times).\</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: #000000">The term “Ka-fa-ra” will be written between his two eyes on his forehead. It would be visible to both Literate and the Illiterate believers.</SPAN>

He will be sterile I wonder who castrated him. in on place Muhammad said that there will be 30 dajjals.

 

<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms">I'm sure it's now easy to perceive how this myth of Dajjal being symbolic of "end times" has crept into Islam. It began with the gross and corrupt Hadith narrations of the half-hearted Makkan converts, and a little later, these false narrations were edited and compiled by the medieval imams or the writers/collectors of the Hadith literature who loved to integrate Islam with man-made faiths.</SPAN>

 


So as it was NOT as you've imagined the Dajjal to be then it's wrong is it?
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2014 at 2:47pm
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<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms"><SPAN style="COLOR: #336666">The story of Dajjal as accepted by Muslims: </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms"><SPAN style="COLOR: #336666"></SPAN>You will find an array of humbug on Dajjal in one of the most popular Hadith sites, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms">[COLOR=#003366">Muttaqun.[/COLOR"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms"> What's most infuriating is the audacity of the storytellers to falsely involve the Quran and the Prophet (S) into it. You will find the heading on Dajjal that states "according to Quran and Sunnah." But scan the page for yourself and see if you can find a single word on Dajjal from the Quran. It's all from the deviations of the man-written Hadith. The myth of Masih-ad- Dajjal is a typical rhetorical drama for the purpose of making lectures interesting for spiritually (and otherwise) uneducated commoners who have no desire for the quest of Quranic knowledge nor are they interested in reflecting on Quranic contents for themselves. These folks take the spoon-fed lies of their clerics as law, regardless of its contradiction or non-conformity with the Quran.</SPAN>


So you know all about the Anti-Christ? Do enlighten us.
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2014 at 2:58pm
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Beyond the evidence for the Bible's correctness (manuscript evidence) and its historicity (archeological evidence), the most important evidence is that of its inspiration. The real determination of the Bible's claim to absolute inspired truth is in its supernatural evidence, including prophecy. God used prophets to speak and write down His Word and God uses miracles like fulfilled prophecy to authenticate His messengers. For example, in Genesis 12:7, God promises that the land of Israel was to be for Abraham and his descendants. In 1948 Israel was returned back to the Jewish people for the second time in history. This may not seem so astonishing until you realize that no nation in the history of the world has been scattered from its homeland and returned! Israel has done it twice. The book of Daniel predicts with accuracy the coming of the four great kingdoms from Babylon, to Medo-Persia, to Greece, to Rome centuries before some of those kingdoms came on the scene (a time span of over 1,000 years!) with details concerning how they would rule and be broken. This includes the reigns of Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanies.In Ezekial 26 we can see in astonishing detail how the city of Tyre was to be destroyed, how it would be torn down, and how its debris would be thrown into the sea. When Alexander the Great marched on that area, he encountered a group of people holed up in a tower on an island off the coast near there. He could not cross the sea, so he could not fight those in the tower. Rather than wait them out, the proud conqueror had his army throw stones into the sea to build a land bridge to the tower. It worked. His army crossed the sea and overthrew the occupants of the stronghold. But where did he get so much stone? The rocks that were used for the land bridge were the leftover rubble from the city of Tyre . . . its stones cast into the sea!There are so many prophecies concerning Christ (over 270!) that it would take more than a few screens worth of space to list them all. Further, Jesus would have had no control over many of them such as His birthplace or time of birth. Second, the odds of one man accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these are 1 in 10^45. How many is that? For comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who affirmed the Bible as the Word of God, proved His reliability and deity by His resurrection (an historical fact not easily ignored).

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You can have your biased view and you are welcome to it. The Bible has been corrupted by human hands.

With regard to Masjid Al Aqsa it is the sight where Prophet Ibrahim (Alayhi Salaam) was supposed to sacrifice his son Prophet Ishmael (Alayhi Salaam). Prophet Ibrahim (Alayhi Salaam) built a masjid on the sight (He and Prophet Ishmael (Alayhi Salaam) built Masjid Al Haram in Mecca forty years before).

You are probably thinking 'oh wait a minute this has always been the Temple of Solomon'. If you thinking that then you are WRONG. Prophet Sulaiman (Alayhi Salaam) built or rather modified the existing masjid which was extended and made grand.

I don't know if you know but I will tell you anyway. In AD 70 the Romans under General Titus Andronicus totally destroyed the Temple. So what the Muslims did was to build Masjid Al Aqsa on the sight.

BTW did you know that ALL the Prophets of God Almighty were Muslims?

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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2014 at 8:17pm
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Sorry Mr Ron, Muslims who are proficient in classical Arabic would not accept your argument. Any commentary or translation into English or any other language would be the commentary basically of the  translator, which is not necessarily what is written in Arabic in the Quran. Until you can speak read and write classical Arabic all commentaries are a guideline and not necessarily "gospel" as some of you would put it. I would refer you to the scholars.


And I would refer you to the Quran, as I quoted it in my first post on this topic.  Verse 5:69 clearly says that Jews and Christians shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.  Verse 3:85 clearly says that no religion except Islam shall be accepted.  There are no translation issues here, and no scholar or commentary can explain away the obvious contradiction.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2014 at 8:39pm
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And I would refer you to the Quran, as I quoted it in my first post on this topic.  Verse 5:69 clearly says that Jews and Christians shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.  Verse 3:85 clearly says that no religion except Islam shall be accepted.  There are no translation issues here, and no scholar or commentary can explain away the obvious contradiction.

Hi Ron,

abrogation... and 5 was revealed after 3, so the people of the Book should be in the clear it seems.  Smile
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