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Quote islamispeace Replybullet Posted: 01 August 2014 at 10:14pm
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The Quran states that the previous prophets were all Muslims...

Greetings islamispeace,

Strange then, don't you think, that never once, in any record, did any prophet refer to themselves or their followers as 'muslim'?

Don't you suppose Yshwe would have called Himself muslim, not Jew?

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LOL A Muslim is anyone who submits himself to God.  All of the prophets did that, the last time I checked, including Jesus (peace be upon him). 

The word "Muslim" is an Arabic word.  I don't think the previous prophets spoke Arabic.  Wink

Did you know that the previous prophets never mentioned, even in passing, the belief in the trinity?  Don't you suppose that someone would have mentioned it?  Shocked
Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2014 at 9:54pm
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The Quran states that the previous prophets were all Muslims...

Greetings islamispeace,

Strange then, don't you think, that never once, in any record, did any prophet refer to themselves or their followers as 'muslim'?

Don't you suppose Yshwe would have called Himself muslim, not Jew?

asalaam.



Did you know that the previous prophets never mentioned, even in passing, the belief in the trinity?  Don't you suppose that someone would have mentioned it?  Shocked

Greetings islamispeace,

It's in there. Smile
It is the mystery revealed through Yshwe(known as Jesus).

asalaam and blessings.
Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2014 at 2:24am
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Greetings islamispeace,It's in there. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />It is the mystery revealed through Yshwe(known as Jesus).asalaam and blessings.


No it's not. Go and re-read the Bible.
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Quote Muslim75 Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2014 at 10:25am
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Will muslims accept Jesus as thier saviour when he apears on the clouds now.
 
Matthew 24:30  "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.  they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 

Matthew 24: 36-39  No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.   For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;  and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.  That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

                       
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Quoting the bible is inapropriate as the original book has been altered. Whatever people read in the bible today can not be related to the original, real bible. It is not so for the Holy Qur'an and the authentic hadiths. It has been preserved, as we all know. If you want a proof of it, ask the scholars about that.
 
In an authentic hadith in Bukhari, Muhammad says Isa shall return in the end of times amongst the muslims, but he will be under the leadership of Imam Mahdi. We know from that hadith that Imam Mahdi is superior to Jesus. Moreover, Jesus is not actually coming back on earth. Prophets have symbolic dimensions so that when a prophet is mentioned, his symbolism is mentioned. Jesus represents many things, among which life, prophethood, bliss, wandering, etc...(See Rumi, Ibn Arabi among others). Muhammad speaks according to the need of the people at the time of his speaking. What he said was meant for the people of his time, 1400 years ago. He could not explain it in another way. It was "complicated" to say something else, something which would cause confusion.
 
There is only Mahdi, Sultan. He is here now and owns the land and the people.
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Quote Power of GOD Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2014 at 12:16pm
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Will muslims accept Jesus as thier saviour when he apears on the clouds now.
 
Matthew 24:30  "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.  they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 

Matthew 24: 36-39  No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.   For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;  and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.  That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

                       
Dear poster,
 
Quoting the bible is inapropriate as the original book has been altered. Whatever people read in the bible today can not be related to the original, real bible. It is not so for the Holy Qur'an and the authentic hadiths. It has been preserved, as we all know. If you want a proof of it, ask the scholars about that.
 
In an authentic hadith in Bukhari, Muhammad says Isa shall return in the end of times amongst the muslims, but he will be under the leadership of Imam Mahdi. We know from that hadith that Imam Mahdi is superior to Jesus. Moreover, Jesus is not actually coming back on earth. Prophets have symbolic dimensions so that when a prophet is mentioned, his symbolism is mentioned. Jesus represents many things, among which life, prophethood, bliss, wandering, etc...(See Rumi, Ibn Arabi among others). Muhammad speaks according to the need of the people at the time of his speaking. What he said was meant for the people of his time, 1400 years ago. He could not explain it in another way. It was "complicated" to say something else, something which would cause confusion.
 
There is only Mahdi, Sultan. He is here now and owns the land and the people.
If you have read the quran and the hadiths properly you will see it is not a patch near to to word of a god cause it permits adultary and murder and looting.
 
Quran says in Surah 17:32-34. "Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning)."

But in Quran itself you can find that adultery is permitted as we read in Surah 2:230. "So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand."

We see that Muhammad was willing to marry his adopted son's wife. So Allah permitted him by changing the rules as we read in Surah 33:50, "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Killing innocent people is permitted in Surah 4:89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

Quran tells us that Mary the mother of Jesus was sister of Aaron as we read in Surah 19:28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" If we read further we can understand that it was spoken about Jesus' mother Mary Surah 19:34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute,  And Surah 66:12 says, "And Mary, daughter of Imran, whose body was chaste, therefore We breathed therein something of Our spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures, and was of the obedient."
 
This is jsut to show how laughable islamic noncence was I don't who was there so called scribe or thinker was of the quran.
 

Jesus Will Institute Islamic Law ALAH'S LAW OR WHAT IN THIS STATEMENT THE WRITER MAKE THE IMAM AND JESUS THAT  NARATER IS INFERIOR TO MAHDI AND MUHAMMED SO IMAM AND JESUS ARE ABOVE allah so they will apear before allah this is just showing countless flaws in the quran and hadiths that prophets is above thier so called allah

 

While the Mahdi, as the Caliph (vice-regent) and Imam (leader) of the Muslims is clearly seen as being a superior to Jesus, Jesus is still said to be a leader of the Muslim Community.  According to the Islamic traditions, Jesus’ primary purpose will be to oversee the institution and the enforcement of the Islamic Shariah law all over the world.

 

 

 




 
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Quote Power of GOD Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2014 at 1:44pm

Islamic teaching is that all created things at an appointed time will be annihilated, and then resurrected for judgment before Allah. The exact date and time of this event, known as Yawm al-Qiyamah (literally Day of Resurrection), is known to Allah alone (Qur'an Surah 7:187, 31:34, 33:63), but the Qur'an says it will come suddenly (Surah 7:187; 12:107; 21:40; 22:55; 29:53; 39:55; 43:66; 47:18). Belief in the Last Days, in particular the Day of Judgment, is listed as the fifth Article of Faith in Islam, and therefore an essential element of the Islamic faith. All Muslims are expected to believe in it. Islam considers that all the prophets since the time of Noah have taught about the Qiyamah to their followers, but that Muhammad told his followers in much greater details about it. In particular, Muhammad said that the prophets have warned their followers about ad-Dajjal (Muslim version of the Antichrist, not to be confused with the Antichrist in the Bible). For example, we read in the hadiths:

Narrated AbuUbaydah ibn al-Jarrah:

I heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say: There has been no Prophet after Noah who has not warned his people about the antichrist (Dajjal), and I warn you of him. The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) described him to us, saying: Perhaps some who have seen me and heard my words will live till his time. The people asked: Apostle of Allah! what will be the condition of our hearts on that day? Like what we are today? He replied: Or better. (Sunan Abu Dawud 40.4738)

Even though Muhammad speculated that some Muslim believers might live till the last days when ad-Dajjal appears, this was not to be the case. The hadiths recorded that Muhammad sometimes preached sermons on the Qiyamah for many hours. It is also said that the Companions of Muhammad also taught the hadiths to their children and instructed them to also teach their children. Thus, teachings about Qiyamah is something that is taught and passed down by Muslims from generation to generation, reflecting its importance in the Islamic faith. As such, many Muslims will be familiar with the teachings on Qiyamah, about the coming of al-Mahdi, about the coming of Isa (Islamic name for Jesus) and the coming of ad-Dajjal.

Okay tell me how is it possible that you can believe that there is anti christ  if Muhammad convinced muslim there is no Christ and his hilarious discription of the so called Dajjal he was a sick psycopath where did he came upon this.
 
He is blind in the left and the right eye make up your which eye muhammad.
 
 

Allah's Messenger made a mention of Dajjal in the presence of the people and said: Allah is not one-eyed and behold that Dajjal is blind of the right eye and his eye would be like a floating grape.

 

Allah's Messenger said: Dajjal is blind of left eye with thick hair and there would be a garden and fire with him and his fire would be a garden and his garden would be fire.

 
 He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a giant mule… He will travel the entire world.”  As strange as this is, it also bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry.

He will be blind in the right eye, and that it would be like a floating grape, unstable in the socket.

The left eye will also be defective, but he sees through this eye, and it will have a thick film like that of a finger nail over it, and the color of it will be green like glass, it will reflect like a shining star. [Reported by Ali (ra)

His complexion will be red&white. Meaning, White – with redness in it.His forehead will be prominent, meaning Large and Protruding.His neck would be wide, more like those of the bodybuilders. He will be powerfully built.His back will tend to be curved, bent. Since his body will be powerfully built.His feet wide set apart. Normally when people walk, their feet turn inwards; his will be wide set apart. Again, due to his powerfully built body.He will have a lot of hair on his head, which will be curls and locks. Like small headed snakes coiled together.He will be sterile, and will not have any children. (Implied from the hadith where dajjal is said to resembles Ibn Qatan – mentioned as follow.He most resembles Abdul Uzza Ibn Qatan, from the al-Mustaliq tribe of Khuza’a (who died in the pre-Islamic times).\The term “Ka-fa-ra” will be written between his two eyes on his forehead. It would be visible to both Literate and the Illiterate believers.
He will be sterile I wonder who castrated him. in on place Muhammad said that there will be 30 dajjals.
 
I'm sure it's now easy to perceive how this myth of Dajjal being symbolic of "end times" has crept into Islam. It began with the gross and corrupt Hadith narrations of the half-hearted Makkan converts, and a little later, these false narrations were edited and compiled by the medieval imams or the writers/collectors of the Hadith literature who loved to integrate Islam with man-made faiths.
 
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Quote Power of GOD Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2014 at 1:51pm
The story of Dajjal as accepted by Muslims:
You will find an array of humbug on Dajjal in one of the most popular Hadith sites, Muttaqun. What's most infuriating is the audacity of the storytellers to falsely involve the Quran and the Prophet (S) into it. You will find the heading on Dajjal that states "according to Quran and Sunnah." But scan the page for yourself and see if you can find a single word on Dajjal from the Quran. It's all from the deviations of the man-written Hadith. The myth of Masih-ad- Dajjal is a typical rhetorical drama for the purpose of making lectures interesting for spiritually (and otherwise) uneducated commoners who have no desire for the quest of Quranic knowledge nor are they interested in reflecting on Quranic contents for themselves. These folks take the spoon-fed lies of their clerics as law, regardless of its contradiction or non-conformity with the Quran.
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Quote Power of GOD Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2014 at 4:57pm
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Will muslims accept Jesus as thier saviour when he apears on the clouds now.
 
Matthew 24:30  "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.  they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 

Matthew 24: 36-39  No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.   For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;  and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.  That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

                       
Dear poster,
 
Quoting the bible is inapropriate as the original book has been altered. Whatever people read in the bible today can not be related to the original, real bible. It is not so for the Holy Qur'an and the authentic hadiths. It has been preserved, as we all know. If you want a proof of it, ask the scholars about that.
 
In an authentic hadith in Bukhari, Muhammad says Isa shall return in the end of times amongst the muslims, but he will be under the leadership of Imam Mahdi. We know from that hadith that Imam Mahdi is superior to Jesus. Moreover, Jesus is not actually coming back on earth. Prophets have symbolic dimensions so that when a prophet is mentioned, his symbolism is mentioned. Jesus represents many things, among which life, prophethood, bliss, wandering, etc...(See Rumi, Ibn Arabi among others). Muhammad speaks according to the need of the people at the time of his speaking. What he said was meant for the people of his time, 1400 years ago. He could not explain it in another way. It was "complicated" to say something else, something which would cause confusion.
 
There is only Mahdi, Sultan. He is here now and owns the land and the people.
 
Beyond the evidence for the Bible's correctness (manuscript evidence) and its historicity (archeological evidence), the most important evidence is that of its inspiration. The real determination of the Bible's claim to absolute inspired truth is in its supernatural evidence, including prophecy. God used prophets to speak and write down His Word and God uses miracles like fulfilled prophecy to authenticate His messengers. For example, in Genesis 12:7, God promises that the land of Israel was to be for Abraham and his descendants. In 1948 Israel was returned back to the Jewish people for the second time in history. This may not seem so astonishing until you realize that no nation in the history of the world has been scattered from its homeland and returned! Israel has done it twice. The book of Daniel predicts with accuracy the coming of the four great kingdoms from Babylon, to Medo-Persia, to Greece, to Rome centuries before some of those kingdoms came on the scene (a time span of over 1,000 years!) with details concerning how they would rule and be broken. This includes the reigns of Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanies.

In Ezekial 26 we can see in astonishing detail how the city of Tyre was to be destroyed, how it would be torn down, and how its debris would be thrown into the sea. When Alexander the Great marched on that area, he encountered a group of people holed up in a tower on an island off the coast near there. He could not cross the sea, so he could not fight those in the tower. Rather than wait them out, the proud conqueror had his army throw stones into the sea to build a land bridge to the tower. It worked. His army crossed the sea and overthrew the occupants of the stronghold. But where did he get so much stone? The rocks that were used for the land bridge were the leftover rubble from the city of Tyre . . . its stones cast into the sea!

There are so many prophecies concerning Christ (over 270!) that it would take more than a few screens worth of space to list them all. Further, Jesus would have had no control over many of them such as His birthplace or time of birth. Second, the odds of one man accidentally fulfilling even 16 of these are 1 in 10^45. How many is that? For comparison, there are less than 10^82 atoms in the entire universe! And Jesus, who affirmed the Bible as the Word of God, proved His reliability and deity by His resurrection (an historical fact not easily ignored).
The only prophecy that can relate muhammad in the bible is the false prophet and the beast which are thrown into hell.
The claim that the Qur'an is the word of God is, at this point, wholly unsupported. This is a claim that Muslims accept on blind faith. To a Muslim, such statements may seem both blasphemous and outrageous, but we must approach such things rationally. We cannot take a certain group on their word when it comes to the origins of their tribal folklore. To be fair, a Muslim would first have to prove that God, or Allah, actually exists before they can begin attributing books to Him or Her
"Some asked what need there was for God to take oaths like any mortal being, as when he swears by the fig and olive, and by Mount Sinai (95:1); by the declining day (103:1); and by the stars, the night and the dawn (81:15-18). Above all, they asked why the Almighty had to swear on himself why must God swear by himself it is ridiculous statements made by Muhammad.
 
According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad went from Mecca to Jerusalem, stopping at al-masjidul-aksa, or the al-Aksa Mosque. The problem is, the al-Aksa Mosque in Jerusalem was built roughly 46 years after the traditional time given for Muhammad's death. Therefore, in fact claiming that Muhammad paid a visit to this Mosque, one would have to conclude that the verse was an interpolation added into the text so who is fooling who this claims that the quran is not anything near God's word.
 



 
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