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Quote Community Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2005 at 8:41pm
As for feeling threatened by the west because they face an enemy that does not aknowledge their religious freedom and see it as their religious duty to take over and opress the people by making them adhere to their religious laws, i urge you to reconsider where the threat really comes from. Whatever side you are on or not, the truth will remain and falsehood vanishes. Be upon the truth, The Truth (Al Haqq) is Everlasting so truth is everlasting. Fear Allah for the day on which you will be brought before Him, and fear Him for standing before Him with a lie. Ashamed and stressed is he who is brought before Him with a lie, and submitted and at peace is he who stands before Him with the truth.
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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2005 at 9:07pm

Whisper, what is the JUST foreign policy of Afghanistan (prior to the fall of the murderous Taliban)? 

Murderous Talibaan! Are we dutybound to accept all typical ugly American spin as the Gospel Truth? Go to Afghanistan and see for yourself how the poor Afghanis have started to pray for Taliban, again, after knowing the Americans for a wee while.

We are discussing the US foreign policy. I did NOT start on it. Your side kick initiated this topic under his obvious awe of the his Neo Con masters. He is totally confused. Please help him since you both work for the same agency.



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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2005 at 9:18pm

And about your lies and distortions about me and about others in your lengthy post above,

Yaar Community, you don't give anyone any chance to distort anything about you. You always seem to be in some great hurry about exposing your own twists and lies. And, almost always in the same breath, in the same very post you shoot yourself in exactly the foot you stand on.

Sir, that's not my fault if you fail to hide your spite of Islamic content and your deep rooted hatred of anything Arab.

Why must anyone effort when you are the best at demolishing your own stands? Just the most recent example. You posted that I called Karl a messenger of Allah. It's a sheer matter of commonsense not just of plain simple norms of communication that when you accuse someone of something THEN the ONUS is on you to substantiate your claim.

I have challenged you to substantiate your claim. You have failed / refused to do so for the sheer reason that you can't do it. It's impossible for you or anyone else to produce something I have not said or even implied.

Instead, you have told me to start some search engines here on this site - to see "what I have said or written?" Unlike you I know my stand in life, on life and all other matters that matter to life, mine and as well as others. I don't have to kickstart some "search engine". THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR LIE.

I won't go through the stupid motion of calling you a liar for you happen to hold no integrity, no honour or even a bare shred of shame. Plus, in all your posts you have proven yourself to be worse than a liar. And, we are glad that you are with the Neo Cons, you will definitely cause their destruction as you often do your own.

Best regards and thanks for always proving my points, regularly, without fail and always.



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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2005 at 9:22pm

O' Great Community, art thou again talking to yourself?

Or, are you just addressing the heaven above?

You told me that you were only half-Dutch then how come you produce so much of double Dutch for us to decipher? Pray, tell us at least what ye sayeth? 

Allah is The Truth,

And, you hold some sort of Master Franchise for disbursing Truth?



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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2005 at 9:31pm

What are "Islamic economics?"

We know what Islamic economics are and I am sure there is no need for us to share such precious knowledge specially with people smelling so gutterly of spite.

I have informed you (in some other section) that we hold the perfect RIGHT to live the way we choose to live.

Your ONLY interest in us and our world is pure simple petroleum and that you will get at the going market rate - our camels still drink water and there's very slim chance of switching them over to drinking crude.

The Neo Con dream of controlling the global oil market (for trading profits + for thwarting other countries' growth) seems to have come to a dead crash.

My condolences.



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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2005 at 9:35pm

Is this a lie? If you can prove it a lie I will give you the author's particulars, go and sue him - he lives in C A L I F O R N I A and is one of the most respected professors in the US.

Not some chipmunk without any identity who can say anything at any time merely to score some points in utter desperation.

The Gulf War began with a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait over ports in the Gulf and over oil export quotas. Iraq’s plan to invade Kuwait appeared initially to have been condoned by the US, so the real motives for the entrance of the United States into the conflict were unclear. President Bush (Sr.) had sent his emissary Henry Shuyler to persuade his then-ally Saddam Hussain to intervene in OPEC to hike oil prices for the benefit of his Texas constituents. Bush and his advisors knew that OPEC cheated and fell on the idea of a border incident whereby Iraq would take the southern end of the Rumaila field, from which the Kuwaitis were pumping.

 

On the eve of the invasion, the US Ambassador in Baghdad, April Glaspie, said, “We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait”

a statement countersigned by Secretary of State James Baker in Washington.

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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 16 November 2005 at 11:10am

Another dose of "lies" for our resident prophet who runs into a trance of twisted ayaats when unable to continue of the reality on the ground front!

Blair should stop playing fall guy in Rumsfeld's war games
Britain is throwing up a stooge's smokescreen to cover US withdrawal from Afghanistan. There is no need for such folly in Iraq
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Wednesday November 16, 2005
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Iraq is miring all who touch it. What does Tony Blair say when he reads that American forces at the siege of Falluja used "shake-'n'bake" shells on residential areas? White phosphorus, as reported by George Monbiot on these pages yesterday and confirmed by the Pentagon, is worse than napalm. Since it is "chemical" in its effect on humans, it falls under a ban by the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention for use against "areas of high civilian population".

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One of the most-cited reasons for toppling Saddam Hussein was his deployment of chemical weapons against his own people. That does not justify us in using them. If Sir Christopher Meyer is right, Britain never complains to Washington over what happens in Iraq. But when the full story of these decisions is told, serious charges should be laid against British ministers. Will they use Donald Rumsfeld's line, that "stuff happens"?

Hence the rising tempo of Whitehall's search for an exit strategy. Yesterday Downing Street picked on the suggestion of the old Kurdish warlord Jalal Talabani that he might let Britain go home by the end of next year. On Monday John Reid had in effect rejected Talabani's offer. "A process of British withdrawal", he told the Commons, may start by the end of next year or it may not. When asked by MPs what would decide the date, he said it would depend on the strategy. What was that? Not to fail but to succeed, was the reply. It is astonishing that MPs buy such rubbish. But by yesterday the government was clearly distancing itself from granting the Iraqis any right of veto on British departure. Everything now depends on "security".

If Blair wants an exit strategy, one is staring him in the face. It is being adopted by his comrade in arms, Donald Rumsfeld no less. The Rumsfeld doctrine was that if you want to beat hell out of a place, do so and get out. If you want to punish the Taliban for hosting Osama bin Laden, smash them to pieces. Bomb their cities, kill their families, but do not stay. Staying is for pinkos and social workers.

Rumsfeld's Iraq strategy may have been full of holes, but it originally stuck to the same principle. Eliminate Saddam Hussein, obliterate his regime, but do it "lite". Never get bogged down in nation-building, whatever the neocons or neoimperialists may say. Find some stooge such as Ahmed Chalabi and leave him to sort the place out. Avoid large armies of occupation and, above all, avoid allies with moral scruples. As Condoleezza Rice told George Bush during his first election campaign: "We don't need to have the 82nd Airborne escorting kids to kindergarten."

In Afghanistan Rumsfeld's plan is now almost complete. From the start Washington insisted that once it had fixed the election of its puppet, Hamid Karzai, to office, it would get out fast. Democracy was in place. Afghanistan should be left to Karzai, the warlords, the Pashtun mullahs and the drug runners. If the Taliban returned, too bad. Find some stooge ally to throw up a smokescreen and get out.

Who is that smokescreen? The answer is John Reid. He is sending 4,800 British troops allegedly to wipe out the world's most lucrative opium trade and bring democracy, stability and protection to southern Afghanistan. How re-impoverishing Afghan peasants will encourage them to defy a resurgent Taliban is unclear. The identical strategy failed after the 2001 invasion. Already Nato's byzantine diplomats are fighting like rats in a sack over who will do what and where in the mountains of Khyber and the wastes of Helmand. Nato and Britain have been suckered to the miserable task of covering America's retreat. The Pentagon must be laughing fit to bust.

How the same strategy will play in Iraq is harder to see. Talabani seems to accept what has long been the view of the British army, that foreign troops will no longer be needed in the south of Iraq by next summer. Since army training is in coalition hands, the coalition can notionally decide when that army is ready. Iraqi troops have no problem being trained, only in being motivated, a quite different matter.

Most intelligence regards any exit strategy based on a revived Iraqi army as fantasy. Its brigades will not be deployable outside their areas of primary recruitment, if only because the defence ministry is not that stupid. The ministry, like the police, is increasingly in thrall to one or other party militia. Army units deployed in possibly hostile provinces, at least without coalition cover, will almost certainly refuse to fight. Indeed the federal constitution appears to give regional governors the right of veto over such deployment. The reality is internal security in each of Iraq's three regions will be in the hands of police and unofficial militias. This has already been recognised in Kurdistan.

Talabani is accordingly inviting Britain to declare the Iraqi army (in which, as a Kurd, he has little interest) to be a "superb fighting force" and leave next year with its head high. This offer is worth taking. But it will require the coalition forces to hack deals over bases and equipment with whatever local power structures emerge as dominant in next month's elections.

These deals will be tough further south because the occupation has injected the poison of insurgency into both Sunni and Shia areas. They will get tougher the longer the occupation continues. By late next year, one intelligence analyst told me, "We may as well negotiate an exit strategy direct with Tehran".

Reid claims that if Britain leaves soon there will be "civil war". I find no intelligence to support this classic imperialist excuse. There will be bloodshed in places, but there is that now. As Talabani knows, the occupation is protecting his ministers, but it is fostering militancy everywhere and hopelessly undermining his authority. The one hope for Iraqis is to own their country and be free of the humiliation of foreign rule. That cannot come too soon.

The default mode of American foreign policy is isolation and of British policy continued intervention. America is shrewdly retreating from Afghanistan, knowing that the place is heading for trouble. Britain is the fall guy. Will the same happen in Iraq?

Reid should explain why he is really committing 4,800 troops to act as Taliban targets in Helmand and why he is so sceptical of Talabani's offer. He might also ask himself why Rumsfeld is laughing.

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Quote b95000 Replybullet Posted: 16 November 2005 at 1:31pm
"Rumsfeld's war games"

The assumption is that Rumsfeld, the US, the UK and the rest of the Coalition (add Nato and the UN in Afghanistan) are playing games (with the heinous, murderous terrorist reality).  Of course you deliberately push 9/11 under the carpet whilst making that assumption...can't do that I'm afraid.  Sorry, no 'games' allowed on that topic.
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