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ak_m_f
 
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bullet Posted: 27 January 2006 at 8:20pm
my friend is Shi'a and he reads from the same quran as me.

why is that ?
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bullet Posted: 27 April 2006 at 9:12am

 

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Page#140 Book of Imaan and Kufar Vol:IV
Imam Abu Abdullah[AS] said: "Taqeeyah [to lie] is 90% of the deen[religion] and one who does not use Taqeeyah has no deen[religion], lie is in every thing other than Nabeez [wine of barley] and Masah over leather socks"

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bullet Posted: 02 May 2006 at 7:06pm
Fatah-Momin, are you sure they have always two different Qur'ans, at hand, one for among themselves and one for when with non shia?
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bullet Posted: 02 May 2006 at 8:01pm
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Fatah-Momin, are you sure they have always two different Qur'ans, at hand, one for among themselves and one for when with non shia?

Its all b.s propaganda to create hatred among each other, I have heard a lot of myths about shia.

maybe they have different sects in shia, but my frnd read from the same quran and even has the same kalima as me
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bullet Posted: 04 May 2006 at 8:50pm

ak_m_f,

Has any Authority been given to your Holy Penguin or by whose Authority, your Holy Penguin is revealing to me that I am 007.M16.9.99! and that I am running on Windows XP and using IE 6! ?



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bullet Posted: 23 May 2006 at 2:43am
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ak_m_f,

Has any Authority been given to your Holy Penguin or by whose Authority, your Holy Penguin is revealing to me that I am 007.M16.9.99! and that I am running on Windows XP and using IE 6! ?

 LOL

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2006 at 8:10pm

Originally posted by Fatah-Momin

This is a major issue that I have come across too, When ever I discussed it with shia they claim to believe in the Qur'an on further probe they start pointing at abbrogation as alteration in Qur'an. Further enquiry with the same shia resulted in to a revelation, that Quran is not the last testement of Allah. Another book was revealed by Allah, which further elaborated on what was revealed in Quran.  

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The completeness of Quran is so indisputable among Shia that the greatest
scholar of Shia in Hadith, Abu Jafar Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn al-Husain Ibn
Babwayh, known as "Shaykh Saduq" (309/919-381/991), wrote:

     "Our belief is that the Quran which Allah revealed to His Prophet
     Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn).
     And it is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not
     greater in extent than that. The number of surahs as generally
     accepted is one hundred and fourteen ...And he who asserts that we say
     that it is greater in extent than that, is a liar."

Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh
                  Saduq, English version, p77.


It should be noted that Shaykh Saduq (RA) is the greatest scholar of Hadith
among the Imami Shia and was given the name of Shaykh al-Muhaddithin (i.e.,
the most eminent of the scholars of Hadith). And since he wrote the above
in a book with the name of "The beliefs of the Imami Shia," it is quite
impossible that there could be any authentic Hadith in contrary to it.
It is noteworthy that Shaykh Saduq lived at the time of minor occultation
of Imam Mahdi (AS) and he was one of the earliest Shia scholars. He had the
honor that he was born with the prayer of Imam Mahdi (AS).

Another prominent Shia scholar is Allama Muhammad Ridha Mudhaffar who wrote
in his Shia Creed book that:

     "We believe that the Holy Quran is revealed by Allah through the Holy
     Prophet of Islam dealing with every thing which is necessary for the
     guidance of mankind. It is an everlasting miracle of the Holy Prophet
     the like of which can not be produced by human mind. It excels in its
     eloquence, clarity, truth and knowledge. This Divine Book has not been
     tampered with by any one. This Holy Book which we recite today is the
     same Holy Quran which was revealed to the Holy Prophet. Any one who
     ^^^^                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
     claims it to be otherwise is an evil-doer, a mere sophist, or else he
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
     is sadly mistaken. All of those who have this line of thinking have
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     gone astray as Allah in Quran said: "Falsehood can not reach the Quran
     from any direction (41:42)"

- Shi'i reference: The Beliefs of Shi'ite School, by Muhammad Ridha
                     Mudhaffar, English version, pp 50-51


Sayyid al-Murtadha, another prominent Shi'ite Scholar said:

     "... our certainty of the completeness of the Quran is like our
     certainty of the existence of countries or major events that are self
     evident. Motives and reasons for recording and guarding the Holy Quran
     are numerous. Because the Quran is a miracle of the Prophethood and
     the source of Islamic Knowledge and religious rule, their concern with
     the Quran made the Muslim Scholars highly efficient concerning
     grammar, its reading, and its verses."

With this various concern by the most eminent Shia scholars, there is
no possibility that the Quran was added or deleted in some parts.

Besides what Allah mentioned in Quran about its protection, we can use our
logic to derive the same result. Allah sent his last Messenger to show
people (to the end of the time) His Right Path. Therefore if Allah does not
preserve His message, He would be contradicting His own aim. Obviously,
such negligence is evil according to reason. Thus, in essence, Allah
preserves His message as He preserved Moses in the house of His Enemy,
Pharaoh.

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2006 at 8:16pm

Fatah-Momin

What are your motives behind your writings?  Shia and Sunni are brothers and sisters! They believe in Allah and His messenger and the same Quran.

God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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