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Quote Al-Kitab Replybullet Topic: Light produces sound. Miracle of Quran
    Posted: 13 March 2014 at 2:00am
Selam guys,

As promised heres an unseen miracle of the Quran.
Look out for my posts. Plenty coming.



2.26 Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable-- (that of) a mosquito or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors.


Where does Allah give a parable of a mosquito in the Quran?

The preceding verses explain how mosquitos are attracted to light. When you read the ayats with the mosquito involved and how they react to light.

LISTEN CAREFULLY. Its explaining a mosquito (within the story of a man)

2.17
Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire,
but when it had illumined all around him,
Allah took away their light,
and left them in utter darkness
-- they do not see.

2.20 The lightning almost takes away their sight;
whenever it shines on them they walk in it,
and when it becomes dark to them they stand still;
and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have taken away their hearing and their sight; surely
Allah has power over all things.


There is one unidentified possible scientific importance to this parable as well. It comes with the in between ayats.


2.18-19 Deaf , dumb (and) blind,
so they will not turn back.
Or like abundant rain from the cloud in which is utter darkness and thunder and lightning;
they put their fingers into their ears because of the thunder peal,
for fear of death,
and Allah encompasses the unbelievers


mosquitos have what is called "Positive phototaxis" (Movement towards a light source by organisms)It helps the mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis.

2.18 Deaf, dumb (and) blind

With light they see.
Blind/Seeing can be explained

With the use of the lights energy, They perform intelligent extremely beneficial action.
Dumb/intellect explained

BUT the Quran also states "Deaf".

Mosquitos tympanal organs (its "ears") are located on its antennae (on other insects could be quite literally everywhere).

They are located at base of the antennae and known as the Johnston's organ (a collection of sensory cells).

It's has been recorded to be sensitive to sounds up to 2000Hz

Quran is saying light potentially make sound at an atomic level That is beyond our hearing capability frequency, after all possess an oscillatory nature.

Sound is a mechanical phenomena, light is electromagnetic, but it possesses mass (just no rest-mass), and as such has kinetic energy. This energy imparted to other atoms could possibly make a sound.

Our increase of technology advances hopefully could prove this point but for the time being it remains a unprovable theory.

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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 25 March 2014 at 9:50am
The Quran is not familiar with concepts such as the atomic level and rest mass and kinetic energy.

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Quote airmano Replybullet Posted: 31 March 2014 at 2:02pm
Al-Kitab wrote:
"It helps the mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis"

Question: Could you give me a valid source showing that mosquitos use photosynthesis ?

Regards: Airmano
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Quote Al-Kitab Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2014 at 3:25am
Originally posted by Matt Browne

The Quran is not familiar with concepts such as the atomic level and rest mass and kinetic energy.



I will answer your question first

15.87
And certainly We have given you seven of the oft-repeated (verses) AND the grand Quran.

There is a separation between the Quran and the Al-Fatiah (the seven oft-repeated (verses)),

With this in mind that would mean Surah Baqarah,
currently 2nd Surah should be the first

(As Al-Fatiah is an introduction, a disclaimer. The first "chapter" is clearly a prayer or supplication and not directly an informative discourse. It is obvious that it is meant to be read formally no matter if you believe in traditional prayers or not.)

There is evidence to support this theory.

The first is what is mentioned in Baqarah itself when it says “Bisuratin”

2.23 And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant, “then produce a Surah the like thereof” and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful

This would be the first Surah. (So Surah 1.23 instead of 2.23)

And this would be the 10th Surah
11.13
“Or, do they say: He has forged it. Say: Then bring ten forged Surahs like it and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.”

Produce “a Surah” in the first Surah and bring “ten” Surahs in the 10th Surah

There is also other points that supports this claim.

Maybe its a coincidence but…….

The first is

The 10 forged ayats appears in 11.13,

the argument is 1+113 Surahs, is it linked?

Other coincidences (or facts depending on acceptance)

Al Hadid the Iron chapter no 57 in conventional numbering but actually the 56th chapter.

56 is the mass number (number of protons and neutrons) of the most common isotope of iron (96%).

Furthermore the word al hadid appears in the 26th verse in a surah comprising of 30 verses ((Bismallah is logically counted as the first verse as

a) Bismillah is counted as a verse in al Fateha

b) I think that one of the reason why there is no basmallah in chapter 9 is precisely a sign from god to stress that the basmallah is an integral part of the chapters elsewhere where it is present

c) after analysing the most ancient manuscripts, basmallah is in the same script as the other verses and only a dot separate it from the second verse like any other two consecutive verses of the same manuscript))
26 is the atomic number (number of protons) of iron.

What is more surprising is the relation between the position of the word al hadid and the atomic mass of iron which is 55.847

Al hadid is the 13th word of the 26th verse, a verse that has 28 words.

A simple mathematical calculation will give us the position of the word al hadid which is 55 + 25/30 + 1/30.12/28 = guess what 55.847!!!

I'll explain it deeper

The quran is divided in surahs and verses and in each verse there is a certain number of words.

To understand it well, see the quran as composed of 113 boxes (surahs)on top of each other, each box has got a variable number of drawers (each representing a verse in the surah) and in each drawer a variable number of sheets of paper (each representing a word of the verse)

Now if we want to see where is the word al hadid, (not in other 3 places where the word appears in the Quran but for this particular one found) in Surah Al Hadid that by which ' God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen',

we see that it appears in 56:26

and that it is the thirteenth word of this 26th verse comprising of 28 words.

Lets get back to our boxes drawers and sheets of paper.

If you want to reach the 13th sheet of the 26th drawer of th 56th box, you will have to take out

- 55 boxes to reach the 56th box
- 25 drawers to reach the 26th drawer but remember its only part of a box that contain 30 drawers (30 verses)

so till now you have taken out (55 + 25/30) box

- and 12 sheets of paper to reach the 13th sheet in a drawer that contains 28 sheets that is 12/28 of a drawer and here a drawer is 1/30 of a box so you will have to remove 12/28*1/30

In total you will have to remove 55 + 25/30 + 12/28*1/30 = 55.847

Hence the atomic mass of iron

NOTE: This separation could mean the Al-Fatiah is the proper Shahada for Islam.
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Quote Al-Kitab Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2014 at 3:32am
Originally posted by airmano

Al-Kitab wrote:
"It helps the mosquitos receive light for photosynthesis"

Question: Could you give me a valid source showing that mosquitos use photosynthesis ?

Regards: Airmano


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototaxis
Qutoe: Phototaxis is a kind of taxis, or locomotory movement, that occurs when a whole organism moves towards or away from stimulus of light.[1] This is advantageous for phototrophic organisms as they can orient themselves most efficiently to receive light for photosynthesis

Now to explain photosynthesis

GREEN, out of all the colours, can store maximum solar energy due to its typical wavelengths (490-570 nm).

Green is common in nature and is abundant in plants that contain in their leaves the green pigment chlorophyll, a complex chemical that is involved in photosynthesis.

Now, PHOTOSYNTHESIS is a process in which the ‘GREEN’ in the plants utilizes sunlight to manufacture carbohydrates and oxygen from carbon dioxide and water.

These carbohydrates – i.e. simple and complex sugars – are then stored in grains, fruits and various parts of the plant.

Please read in the Quran this interesting verse, which we can call ‘PHOTOSYNTHESIS VERSE’:

And He it is who has descended water from the Heaven; and therewith have We brought forth ALL LIVING GROWTH, then have We brought forth out of it GREEN, from which We produce GRAIN heaped up; and out of the DATE-PALM, of its SHEATHS, clusters within reach; and gardens of GRAPES and OLIVES and POMEGRANATES: each alike yet unlike. DEEPLY OBSERVE the fruit thereof, when it comes to FRUITITION, and its RIPENING! Most surely in all this there are messages for people who acknowledge! 6:99
So, grain is the ‘product of green’. Note in the above passage the stress on ‘GREEN’ (‘khadir’), the very central word which the description actually starts with.

Here ‘GREEN’ clearly refers to the green pigment chlorophyll, the basis of photosynthesis (‘We brought forth out of it GREEN, from which We produce …’).

The rest of the verse continues this description about the photosynthetic products of green. This involves various fruits, their appearances and properties and the processes of fruition and ripening.

The main product, glucose, is the fundamental building block of all carbohydrates, i.e. sugars, starches and cellulose.

Thus all carbohydrates – including monosaccharides (glucose and fructose e.g. in ‘grapes’), disaccharides (sucrose in ‘date-palm, ... grapes ... pomegranates’), starch (sugar polymer, ‘grain’) and cellulose (sugar polymer, ‘sheaths’) – are eventually produced out of photosynthesis.
The water-soluble sugars like glucose, fructose and sucrose are used for immediate energy. The insoluble sugars like starches are stored (‘grain heaped up’) as tiny granules in various parts of the plant – chiefly the leaves, roots, and fruits – and can be broken down again when energy is needed. Cellulose is used to build the rigid cell walls representing the principal supporting structure of plants.

Photosynthesis produces, apart from carbohydrates, also acids (e.g. in ‘olives’ and unripe fruits: ‘deeply observe the... ripening!’) including amino acids, which derive from the intermediate products.

Importantly, the Quran mentions this STORAGE OF ENERGY IN THE FORM OF FUEL AND ITS RE-CREATION INTO ACTIVATED LIFE-FORCE AND FIRE – through photosynthesis via GREEN chlorophyll – as a strong argument for God’s power and His ability for re-creation of life (36:77-80).
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 05 April 2014 at 6:25pm
Wow, I've seen some torturous attempts at stuffing miracles into Quranic text but I do believe this is the most ridiculous I personally have ever seen. Atomic numbers derived from chapter, verse, and word placement. Perhaps next you could could derive the origins of the universe from sentence structure and letter placement. Oops, wait a minute Al-almiyr did tried to pull that off with his Quran Cosmological Model right here not long ago.
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Quote airmano Replybullet Posted: 06 April 2014 at 1:07pm
Aparently you like playing with numbers.
I'm sure you're familiar with the famous "importance of 19" in the Qu'ran.
Here comes a much more solid argument that the key number of our universe is not 19 but 42:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)
Besides this truly sound justification, the Qu'ranic "19" looks a bit pale isn't it ?
I therefore dare to conclude that there is a flaw in the holy Qu'ran !?
For more info: please read Douglas Adams' book: "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Don't worry: it is not anti-religious.

Last not least: I asked you about a link/book showing that mosquitos use photosynthesis (go(o)d old Wiki would do). There is none in your post.


Regards: Airmano

Edited by airmano - 07 April 2014 at 5:15am
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 07 April 2014 at 6:35am
I love it Airmano. You had me going for about 15 seconds. I forgot all about 42 and it's mystical and even universal importance.
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