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Quote mutakallim Replybullet Topic: There is no contradiction in the Bible.
    Posted: 26 February 2014 at 2:11pm
Salaam.

We spent many years saying that there is (are) contradiction(s) in the Bible. There is no proof on that for:
1. Jesus son of Maryam never said that he did not believe in Allah as the Lord of the universe. Matthew 5 is dogmatic and clear on that.
Observation. Matthew 5:17-21 is not repeated by Mark, Luke and John.
Question. How can one then deny what is in the Torah?
  Is it possible for Jesus son of Maryam to declare himself  as the son of Allah while there is no lead  of that in the Torah?
2. The only Christians  who were witness to what Allah revealed to Muhammad told  that the nation that deny a prophet or insults him will never see their children grow to prosperity. So they refused to debate or dispute with Muhammad on what Allah revealed to him on the impossibility of Allah having a  son. There is no such reason and logic in the Torah as that question never arise at that time. Why is it that this incident is not available but only in Islamic books? Why is it every move by Muhammad to establish tolerance understanding love is rejected?
I am appealing to members of this forum to have a change of heart and let us compare notes according to Matthew 5:13. I am asking a Jew/Rabbi to tell me the incident when Ezra saw a woman crying by the side of a grave.

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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 25 March 2014 at 9:52am
There are many contradictions in the Bible. And the Quran. Understanding these holy books requires knowledge of the historical context.
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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2014 at 10:27am
Originally posted by mutakallim

Salaam.

We spent many years saying that there is (are) contradiction(s) in the Bible. There is no proof on that for:
1. Jesus son of Maryam never said that he did not believe in Allah as the Lord of the universe. Matthew 5 is dogmatic and clear on that.
Observation. Matthew 5:17-21 is not repeated by Mark, Luke and John.
Question. How can one then deny what is in the Torah?
  Is it possible for Jesus son of Maryam to declare himself  as the son of Allah while there is no lead  of that in the Torah?
2. The only Christians  who were witness to what Allah revealed to Muhammad told  that the nation that deny a prophet or insults him will never see their children grow to prosperity. So they refused to debate or dispute with Muhammad on what Allah revealed to him on the impossibility of Allah having a  son. There is no such reason and logic in the Torah as that question never arise at that time. Why is it that this incident is not available but only in Islamic books? Why is it every move by Muhammad to establish tolerance understanding love is rejected?
I am appealing to members of this forum to have a change of heart and let us compare notes according to Matthew 5:13. I am asking a Jew/Rabbi to tell me the incident when Ezra saw a woman crying by the side of a grave.

Mutakallim.


 
As Salaamu Alaykum mutakallim
 
Isa Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) , Never-Ever said anything in The By-Bill / Bible  , Matthew , Luke , Mark , John , Said he said this that or the other, Meaning , 
 
All four Gospels were Written A Number Of Year Apart .  Matthew 41 A.D. 8 Years After The Supposed Crucifixion . Luke 58 A.D. 25 Years After The Supposed Crucifixion . Mark 65 A.D. 32 Years After The Supposed Crucifixion . John 98 A.D. 65 Years After The Supposed Crucifixion .
 
Because the Recorders of the Gospel Wrote What They Heard As Opposed To What They Saw .
 
None of The Recorders of The Synoptic Gospels  were present after they fled to The Garden . Isa Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) , Twelve men to discipleship , Out of the Twelve two of them wrote their Version of the Crucifixion .  John Son Of Zebedee's account is fact , Where as the other , Gospel's accounts are Hadiyth / Tales , The other two writes of The Gospels , Luke , And Mark , Weren't Disciples .
 
Why is it that Peter Has no Record of The Crucifixion , And he was there to see everything that happen . He Never Even Recorded the fact that he denied Isa Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) Three Times  .In the Deceiver Paul book , He mentions something about The Crucifixion , But he doesn't actually say that Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) , Died On The Cross .  The fact is , The Synoptic Gospels are writing of what These Men Were Told By Way Of Mouth ,  And as I have just proven to you None of The Disciples were present and Mark and Luke weren't Disciples at all .
 
Mark was a Judahite from Jerusalem ; And a property owner . His mother Mary was a supporter of Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) Doctrine/ Teaching and thus opened her home to the disciples and their followers for it to serve as their gathering place .
 
John Mark ( Mark full Name ) joined the disciples Barnabas ( His Uncle ) and Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle ) on their first missionary journey ,
47 - 48 A.D. and travelled to The Greek Isle Of Antioch to propagate the word of Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel . He sered as Minister to Barnabas and Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle and was considered a Deacon or Servant who aided them .
 
Mark also served as an interpreter and attendant to Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle . He would translate Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle sermons into Greek so that The Gentiles could Understand . Mark eventually left the first Missionary Journey and returned to Jerusalem . This cause Dissension between Barnabas and Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle
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Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle . resented Mark leaving him and would not allow him to go on the Second Missionary Journey . However Barnabas insisted that he come . Barnabas and Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle . ended up gpomg their separate ways .
 
Luke - was a Greek Physician who was a companion of Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle . on his Second Journey To Teach The Gentiles . He also accompanied Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle on the Third Missionary Journey whose destination was Rome . Luke was also a well - travelled man with knowldge of navigation and was a great writer . He was able to bridge the gap between The do-called Jews ( Jebusites of Canaan ) and The Gentiles .
 
He taught that Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) was A Universal Savior . The other books of The New Testament aside from The Book of Revelation ; Acts of the Apostles and The Twenty -One Epistles were written by Luke and Paul ( Saul , The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle . Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh ,Prophet Al Masih , Jesus the Messiah '' Christ ' ( Pbuh ) did not inscribe any of these Books Nor Were They Divinely Inspired . They , Like The Synoptic Gospels , Are nothing more then Word of men / Hadiyth / Tales And Therefore Should Not Be Trusted .
 
Contradiction of Luke ;
 
( 1 )  . Holy Ghost bestowed the day of Pentecost . Acts 18 ; 8 , 2;4 ....
. Holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost  John 20 ; 22 ...
 
( 2 ) . Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalem  and stay there Luke 24 ; 40 ....
The disciples were commanded to go to Galilee immediately after the resurrection Matthew 28 ; 10 ...
 
( 3 ) . Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to  Jerusalem  and stay there Luke 24 ; 49 .
Matthew says it was Galilee  on A Mountain  . Matthew 28 ; 16 .
 
( 4 ) . Luke and his friend ( Paul ) said The Promised Land Never Belonged To Anyone . Acts 7 ; 5 , Hebrew 11 ; 9 , 13 .
Abraham's seed did receive The Promised Land . Genesis 13 ; 14 , Genesis 13 ; 15 , 17   , 17 ; 8 ....
 
( 5 ) . Christ Mission was one of Peace , Only . Luke 2 ; 13 , 14 ...
Not so says Matthew , Matthew 10;34 ....
 
( 6 ) . A Good Name is a curse says Luke , Luke 6 ; 26 ....
A Good Name Is A Blessing .  Ecclesiastes 7 ; 1 , Proverbs 22 ; 1 ....
 
( 7 ) . Abraham Bough Land  for sepulchre . Acts 7 ; 16 ....
Jacob Purchased It Says Joshua  , Joshua 24 ; 32 ...
 
( 8 ) . Importunity ( Persitence ) in Prayer is commended , Luke 18 ; 5 , 7  , 11; 8..
Repetitious Prayers are condemmed , Matthew 6 ; 7-8 .
 
( 9 ) . Hate your family in order to be a disciple of Yashu'a Luke 14 ; 26 ....
Love one another as Yashu'a Commanded 1John 3 ; 23 .
 
( 10 ) . Women are in Subjection to their Husbands . 1Peter 3 ; 1 .....
Women can prophesy . Acts 2;18 , 21;9 , Contradicts Paul , 1Corinthians 14 ; 34 , 1Timothy 2 ; 12 .
 
( 11 ) . If you break the law or disobey The Holy Spirit you are a Sinner Mark 3 ; 29 ......
All that Believe have Sins of the Law of Moses taken away . Acts 13 ; 39 .
 
( 12 ) . Luke says Satan entered into Judas before the supper . Luke 22 ; 3 , 4 , 7 ...
 
  Satan entered into Judas during the last supper . John 13 ; 27 .
 
( 13 ) . More than Three Women came to The Sepulchre , Luke 24 ; 10 ....
Just  Three Women came to The Sepulchre , Says Mark , Mark 16 ; 1 ...
 
( 14 ) , Two men stood by The Sepulchre , Says Luke , Luke 24 ; 4 ....
Only One Man sat beside The Sepulchre  Says Matthew , Matthew 28 ; 2-3 ...
 
( 15 ) . Luke said that Salah was the son of Cainan , Luke 3 ; 35,36 ....
Salah was the son of Arphaxad , Genesis 11 ; 12 .
 
( 16 ) . The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt  , Luke 2 ; 22, 39 ....
The infant Christ was  taken into Egypt  Matthew 2;14 , 15 ,19,21, 23 ,
 
( 17 ) . Christ's First Sermon was in the Plain . Luke 6 ; 17.20 ....
Christ Preached his First Sermon on The Mount  , Matthew 5 ; 1,2 ...
 
Luke Contradicts himself .
* Christ ascended from mount olive Acts 1; 9-12 ,
* He says '' No , I mean from Bethany '' Luke 24 ; 50-51 .
* Sell your Gaements to By A Sword '' Luke 22; 36 .
* The same man changes his mind Luke 12; 4 .
 
If you have any doubt read the verses ok , And see for yourself ok
 
 
 
 
 
One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .

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