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    Posted: 21 February 2014 at 5:13pm
 
Because the recorders of The Gospels wrote what They Heard as Opposed  to what they saw . None of the recorders of The Synoptic Gospel were present after they fled to The Garden . Yashu'a  called Twelve Men to Discipleship , Our of the Twelve Two of them  wrote their Version of the Crucifixion . John son of Zebedee's account is Fact , Where as the other , Gospel's accounts are Tales . The other Two Writers  of The Gospel , Luke , And Mark, weren't Disciples .  Why is it that Peter has no record of The Crucifixion , And he was there to see everything that happen . He never even recorded the fact that he denied Yashu'a Three Times . In Paul's Book , He mentions something about The Crucifixion , But he doesn't actually say that Yashu'a died on the cross .
 
The fact is , The Synoptic Gospels are writings of what these Men Were Told  by way of Mouth , None of the Disciples were present and Mark and Luke weren't Disciples at all . Mark was a Judahite  from Jerusalem ; And a property owner . His mother Mary was a supporter of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a  teaching and thus open her home to The Disciples and their followers for it to serve as their gathering place .
 
John joined The Disciples Barnabas and Saul, Shaool , Paul The 13th Self -Appointed Apostle , On their first Missionary Journey , 47-48 A.D. , And travelled to The Greek Isle of Antioch to propagate the word of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a  to The Lost Sheep Of The House of Israel . He served as Minister to Barnabas and Paul and was considered a Deacon or Servant . Who adided them . Mark also served as an Interpreter and attendant to  Saul, Shaool , Paul . He would Translate  Saul, Shaool , Paul's Sermons into Greek so that the Gentiles could understand .
 
Mark Eventually left the first missionary journey and returned to Jerusalem . The caused dissension between Barnabas and Paul . Paul resented Mark leaving him and would not allow him to go on the second Missionary journey . However Barnabas insisted that he come . Barnabas and Paul ended up going their separate ways .
 
Luke was a Greek Physician  who was a companion of Paul on his second journey to Teach The Gentiles. He also accompanied Paul on the third missionary journey whose destination was Rome . Luke was also a well -travelled man with knowldge of navigation and was a great writer . He was able to bridge the gap between The Jews ( Jebusites of Canaan ) and the Gentiles . He taught that The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a was a Universal Savior . The other Books of the New Testament aside from The Book of Revelation ; Acts of The Apostles and The Twenty -One Epistles were written by Luke and Paul . The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a did not inscribe any of these books nor were they Divinely Inspired . They , Like Synoptic Gospels
, ( Are Words Of Men ) And therefore should not be trusted .
 
Contradiction Of Luke .
 
( 1 ) . Holy Ghost bestowed the day of Pentecost ( Acts 1;8 , 2;4 ) ...... Holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost ( John 20 ; 22 ) .
 
( 2 ) . Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalem and stay there . ( Luke 24 ; 49 ) .......The disciple were commanded to go to Galilee immediated after the resurrection ( Matthew 28 ; 10 ) .
 
( 3 ) . Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalem and stay there ( Luke 24;49 ..... Matthew says it was Galilee on a mountain . ( Matthew 28 ; 16 ) .
 
( 4 ) . Luke and his friend ( Paul ) said the promised land never belonged to anyone . ( Acts 7;5 / Hebrew 11 ; 9.13 ) ..... Abraham's seed dod receive the promised land ( Genesis 13;14 ./ Genesis 13;15 ,17 ; 17;8 )
 
( 5 ) . Christ's mission was one of peace , Only ( Luke 2 ; 13 , 14 ) . Not so says Matthew . ( Matthew 10;34 ) .
 
( 6 ) . A Good name is a Curse says Luke , ( Luke 6;26 ) .... A Good name is a Blessing , ( Ecclesiastes 7 ; 1  , Proverbs 22 ; 1 ) .
 
( 7 ) . Abraham bought land for Sepulchre . ( Acts 7 ; 16 ) ....... Jacob purchased it says Joshua ( Joshua 24 ; 32 ) .
 
( 8 ) . Importunity ( Persitence ) in prayer is commended ( Luke 18 ; 5 , 7; 11;8 ) ..... Repetitious prayers are condemned ( Matthew 6 ; 7-8 ) .
 
( 9 ) . Women are in subjection to their Husbans ( 1Peter 3 ; 1 ) ...... Women can Prophesy . ( Acts 2;18 , 21 ; 9 ) , Contradicts Paul ( 1Corinthians 14 ; 24 , ( 1Timothy 2;12 ) .
 
( 10 ) . If you break the Law or Disobey The holy sporit you are a sinner . ( Mark 3;29 ) ,..... All that Believe have Sins of the Laws of Moses taken away ( Acts 13 ; 39 ) .
 
( 11 ) . Luke says Satan entered into Judas before the supper . ( Luke 22;3,4,7 ) ....... Satan entered Judas during the last supper , ( John 13 ; 27 ) .
 
( 12 ) . Luke says Judas purchased the Potter's field . ( Acts 1;18 ) ..... Matthew says the chief priests purchased the potters ( Matthew 27 ; 6 , 7 ) .
 
(13 ) . More than three Women came to The Sepulchre , ( Luke 24 ; 10 ) , ...... Just three Women came to The Sepulchre says Mark ( Mark 16 ; 1 ) .
 
(14 ) . Two men stood by The Sepulchre says Luke . ( Luke 24 ; 4 ) , ...... Only one man sat beside The Sepulchre  says Matthew ( Matthew 28 ; 2-3 ) .
 
( 15 ) . Luke said that Salah was the son of Cainan ( Luke 3 ; 34,36 ) , ....... Salah was the son of Arphaxad , ( Genesis 11; 12 ) .
 
( 16 ) . The infant Christ  was not taken into Egypt , ( Luke 2;22,39 )  ......  The infant Christ  was taken into Egypt . ( Matthew 2 ; 14 , 15 , 19 , 21 , 23 ) .
 
( 17 ) . Christ's first Sermon was in the plain . ( Luke 6 ; 17 , 20 ) , ..... Christ preached his first Sermon on the mount , Matthew 5 ; 1,2 ) .
 
Luke contradicts himself ;
 
* Christ ascended from Mount Olive ( Acts 1 ; 9 -12 ) .
* He says , ''No , I mean from Bethany ( Luke 24 ; 50 - 51 ) .
* Sell you garments to buy A Sword ( Luke 22 ; 36 ) .
* The same man change his mind ( Luke 12 ; 4 ) .
* Luke tells of Paul's vision , He said; The men heard a voice and stood speechless ( Acts 9 ; 7 ) .
* The men saw a light , But heard no voice ( Acts 22;9 ) .
* No , They all heard a voice ( Acts 26 ; 14 ) .
 
What it all boils down to Luke wrote The Book of Acts to verify Saul, Shaool , Paul The 13th Self -Appointed Apostle , '' calling '' . He contradicts the events of the ''Calling '' Three times . Its in The Bible !!! Luke's words are not to be trusted !! He wrote his own Opinions ( Yes,Opinions! ) of what actually took place during Yashu'a Ministry . Dates confirm that The Books of Acts was Written 27 Years  After The Alleged Crucifixion . The Book of Luke was Written 25 Years after that .
 
Therefore , He was Never Present at any of The Events He Wrote About . Luke 's only Movtive was to Gain Fame and Recognition for himself . Luke's opportunity arrived when  Saul, Shaool , Paul The 13th Self -Appointed Apostle , ( His Friend ) , Claimed Aposteship and eventual inclusion of The Gentiles to the Covenant . Can't you see ? The foundation that the Churches are Built is like the House that was carelessly Built On Top Of Sand . ( Matthew 7 ; 26-27 )
 
Mark Proclaimed ( Disciple of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a ..... Luke Proclaimed ( Disciple of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a .....
 
Luke Never got his calling from Yahuwa He did his Own Thing according to his Own Book !
 
The Gospel According to Luke 1 ; 1-4 , Where It States ; And I Quote ; Forasmuch as many have taken in hand ( To Set Forth In Order a declaration of those things Which Are Most Surely Believe among us . ( 2 ) .Even as they delivered then unto us . which from the beginning were eyewitnesses , and Minister of the Word . ( 3 ) . It seemed good to me also have had perfect understanding of all things From The Very First to write unto thee in order , most excellent Theophilus  ( 4 ) . That thou mightest know the certainty of those things , wherein thou hast been instructed . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
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Quote Lachi Replybullet Posted: 22 February 2014 at 5:09pm
Some interesting points. That the Gospels are not eye witness accounts, and contain contradictions, is self evident just by reading them. But the Gospel of Luke was written before the Acts of Apostles, and whilst the Gospels are contradictory over sequences or location of events, do they not all record the words of Jesus? Is not the message of Jesus the important thing?
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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2014 at 7:17am
Originally posted by Lachi

Some interesting points. That the Gospels are not eye witness accounts, and contain contradictions, is self evident just by reading them. But the Gospel of Luke was written before the Acts of Apostles, and whilst the Gospels are contradictory over sequences or location of events, do they not all record the words of Jesus? Is not the message of Jesus the important thing?
 
First The Prophet / Messiah Isa son of Mary Nevever said anything the Bible Matthew , Mark , Luke , John  said The Prophet / Messiah Isa son of Mary said this that or the other . But
 
Lakum Diinukum Wa -Ya Diin = '' You will have your decision , And I will have mine .
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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2014 at 8:12am
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Because the recorders of The Gospels wrote what They Heard as Opposed  to what they saw . None of the recorders of The Synoptic Gospel were present after they fled to The Garden . Yashu'a  called Twelve Men to Discipleship , Our of the Twelve Two of them  wrote their Version of the Crucifixion . John son of Zebedee's account is Fact , Where as the other , Gospel's accounts are Tales . The other Two Writers  of The Gospel , Luke , And Mark, weren't Disciples .  Why is it that Peter has no record of The Crucifixion , And he was there to see everything that happen . He never even recorded the fact that he denied Yashu'a Three Times . In Paul's Book , He mentions something about The Crucifixion , But he doesn't actually say that Yashu'a died on the cross .
 
The fact is , The Synoptic Gospels are writings of what these Men Were Told  by way of Mouth , None of the Disciples were present and Mark and Luke weren't Disciples at all . Mark was a Judahite  from Jerusalem ; And a property owner . His mother Mary was a supporter of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a  teaching and thus open her home to The Disciples and their followers for it to serve as their gathering place .
 
John joined The Disciples Barnabas and Saul, Shaool , Paul The 13th Self -Appointed Apostle , On their first Missionary Journey , 47-48 A.D. , And travelled to The Greek Isle of Antioch to propagate the word of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a  to The Lost Sheep Of The House of Israel . He served as Minister to Barnabas and Paul and was considered a Deacon or Servant . Who adided them . Mark also served as an Interpreter and attendant to  Saul, Shaool , Paul . He would Translate  Saul, Shaool , Paul's Sermons into Greek so that the Gentiles could understand .
 
Mark Eventually left the first missionary journey and returned to Jerusalem . The caused dissension between Barnabas and Paul . Paul resented Mark leaving him and would not allow him to go on the second Missionary journey . However Barnabas insisted that he come . Barnabas and Paul ended up going their separate ways .
 
Luke was a Greek Physician  who was a companion of Paul on his second journey to Teach The Gentiles. He also accompanied Paul on the third missionary journey whose destination was Rome . Luke was also a well -travelled man with knowldge of navigation and was a great writer . He was able to bridge the gap between The Jews ( Jebusites of Canaan ) and the Gentiles . He taught that The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a was a Universal Savior . The other Books of the New Testament aside from The Book of Revelation ; Acts of The Apostles and The Twenty -One Epistles were written by Luke and Paul . The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a did not inscribe any of these books nor were they Divinely Inspired . They , Like Synoptic Gospels
, ( Are Words Of Men ) And therefore should not be trusted .
 
Contradiction Of Luke .
 
( 1 ) . Holy Ghost bestowed the day of Pentecost ( Acts 1;8 , 2;4 ) ...... Holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost ( John 20 ; 22 ) .
 
( 2 ) . Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalem and stay there . ( Luke 24 ; 49 ) .......The disciple were commanded to go to Galilee immediated after the resurrection ( Matthew 28 ; 10 ) .
 
( 3 ) . Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalem and stay there ( Luke 24;49 ..... Matthew says it was Galilee on a mountain . ( Matthew 28 ; 16 ) .
 
( 4 ) . Luke and his friend ( Paul ) said the promised land never belonged to anyone . ( Acts 7;5 / Hebrew 11 ; 9.13 ) ..... Abraham's seed dod receive the promised land ( Genesis 13;14 ./ Genesis 13;15 ,17 ; 17;8 )
 
( 5 ) . Christ's mission was one of peace , Only ( Luke 2 ; 13 , 14 ) . Not so says Matthew . ( Matthew 10;34 ) .
 
( 6 ) . A Good name is a Curse says Luke , ( Luke 6;26 ) .... A Good name is a Blessing , ( Ecclesiastes 7 ; 1  , Proverbs 22 ; 1 ) .
 
( 7 ) . Abraham bought land for Sepulchre . ( Acts 7 ; 16 ) ....... Jacob purchased it says Joshua ( Joshua 24 ; 32 ) .
 
( 8 ) . Importunity ( Persitence ) in prayer is commended ( Luke 18 ; 5 , 7; 11;8 ) ..... Repetitious prayers are condemned ( Matthew 6 ; 7-8 ) .
 
( 9 ) . Women are in subjection to their Husbans ( 1Peter 3 ; 1 ) ...... Women can Prophesy . ( Acts 2;18 , 21 ; 9 ) , Contradicts Paul ( 1Corinthians 14 ; 24 , ( 1Timothy 2;12 ) .
 
( 10 ) . If you break the Law or Disobey The holy sporit you are a sinner . ( Mark 3;29 ) ,..... All that Believe have Sins of the Laws of Moses taken away ( Acts 13 ; 39 ) .
 
( 11 ) . Luke says Satan entered into Judas before the supper . ( Luke 22;3,4,7 ) ....... Satan entered Judas during the last supper , ( John 13 ; 27 ) .
 
( 12 ) . Luke says Judas purchased the Potter's field . ( Acts 1;18 ) ..... Matthew says the chief priests purchased the potters ( Matthew 27 ; 6 , 7 ) .
 
(13 ) . More than three Women came to The Sepulchre , ( Luke 24 ; 10 ) , ...... Just three Women came to The Sepulchre says Mark ( Mark 16 ; 1 ) .
 
(14 ) . Two men stood by The Sepulchre says Luke . ( Luke 24 ; 4 ) , ...... Only one man sat beside The Sepulchre  says Matthew ( Matthew 28 ; 2-3 ) .
 
( 15 ) . Luke said that Salah was the son of Cainan ( Luke 3 ; 34,36 ) , ....... Salah was the son of Arphaxad , ( Genesis 11; 12 ) .
 
( 16 ) . The infant Christ  was not taken into Egypt , ( Luke 2;22,39 )  ......  The infant Christ  was taken into Egypt . ( Matthew 2 ; 14 , 15 , 19 , 21 , 23 ) .
 
( 17 ) . Christ's first Sermon was in the plain . ( Luke 6 ; 17 , 20 ) , ..... Christ preached his first Sermon on the mount , Matthew 5 ; 1,2 ) .
 
Luke contradicts himself ;
 
* Christ ascended from Mount Olive ( Acts 1 ; 9 -12 ) .
* He says , ''No , I mean from Bethany ( Luke 24 ; 50 - 51 ) .
* Sell you garments to buy A Sword ( Luke 22 ; 36 ) .
* The same man change his mind ( Luke 12 ; 4 ) .
* Luke tells of Paul's vision , He said; The men heard a voice and stood speechless ( Acts 9 ; 7 ) .
* The men saw a light , But heard no voice ( Acts 22;9 ) .
* No , They all heard a voice ( Acts 26 ; 14 ) .
 
What it all boils down to Luke wrote The Book of Acts to verify Saul, Shaool , Paul The 13th Self -Appointed Apostle , '' calling '' . He contradicts the events of the ''Calling '' Three times . Its in The Bible !!! Luke's words are not to be trusted !! He wrote his own Opinions ( Yes,Opinions! ) of what actually took place during Yashu'a Ministry . Dates confirm that The Books of Acts was Written 27 Years  After The Alleged Crucifixion . The Book of Luke was Written 25 Years after that .
 
Therefore , He was Never Present at any of The Events He Wrote About . Luke 's only Movtive was to Gain Fame and Recognition for himself . Luke's opportunity arrived when  Saul, Shaool , Paul The 13th Self -Appointed Apostle , ( His Friend ) , Claimed Aposteship and eventual inclusion of The Gentiles to the Covenant . Can't you see ? The foundation that the Churches are Built is like the House that was carelessly Built On Top Of Sand . ( Matthew 7 ; 26-27 )
 
Mark Proclaimed ( Disciple of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a ..... Luke Proclaimed ( Disciple of The Prophet / Messiah Yashu'a .....
 
Luke Never got his calling from Yahuwa He did his Own Thing according to his Own Book !
 
The Gospel According to Luke 1 ; 1-4 , Where It States ; And I Quote ; Forasmuch as many have taken in hand ( To Set Forth In Order a declaration of those things Which Are Most Surely Believe among us . ( 2 ) .Even as they delivered then unto us . which from the beginning were eyewitnesses , and Minister of the Word . ( 3 ) . It seemed good to me also have had perfect understanding of all things From The Very First to write unto thee in order , most excellent Theophilus  ( 4 ) . That thou mightest know the certainty of those things , wherein thou hast been instructed . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Keyword Study Bible >
 
 
 
Paul write the Letters of the New Testament , There was 14Letters in all written by paul ( The 13th Self-Appointed Apostle ) describing to them His Nature and The Laws which governs him . This Law is the Law of Sin . Letters of Paul -14 Letters .
 
( 1 ) . Romans 56 A.D. - Was a Letter to The Romans .
( 2 ) . 1Corinthians 55 A.D. - The second letter written by Paul addressed to the Church of Corinth .
 
( 3 ). 21Corinthians 55 A.D. - The same as above .
( 4 ) .Galatians 52 A.D. - Written to Churches of Galatia .
( 5 ) . Ephesians 61 A.D. - Paul ministry at Ephesus written to the Church of Ephesus .
( 6) . Phillipian 61 A.D. - Writtin to the Church of Phillpi .
( 7 ) . Colossians 61 A.D. -Addressed to the Church Colisse .
(8 ) . 1Thessalonians 50 A.D. - Written at Corinth .
( 9 ) . 2 1Thessalonians 50 A.D. - Written at Corinth
( 10 ) . 1Timothy 64 A.D. - Consist of council and exhotation to a young Pastor .
( 11 ) . 2Timothy 64 A.D - Written from Rome .
( 12 ) . Titus 64 A.D. - Contains information about Titus a Gentile , And beloved frined of Paul .
(13 ) . Philemon 61 A,D. - A private letter of intercession written for Rome and sent to Philemon at Colosse .
 
( 14 ) . Hebrew 61 A.D. - Written to Hebrew Christian .
 
Make note that in ( One ) of his Letters , He proves that He's ( The Malevolent One ) In physical manifestation in the Flesh ( Roman 7 ; 24 , Romans 7; 18 , Also refer to Romans 7;14-25 ) . Click here: Romans 7 - Passage Lookup -
 
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2014 at 11:12am
Greetings Al-Saadiqeen,

You do understand that the followers of Yshwe(known as Jesus) were mostly unlearned men(fishermen and common folk) so just like Muhammad they could not write down their accounts, someone else had to do it for them.  They are still eyewitness accounts.  All of the Disciples were present for the teachings of Yshwe.
The new testament also contains the book of James(believed brother of Yshwe).

Salaam,
CLynn

I don't have a lot of time to research all that you have written but regarding your point 1)
In the gospel of John where it says that Yshwe told them to receive the Holy Spirit, I only read this as Yshwe telling them to receive... it says nothing about them receiving the Holy Spirit at that time.  The disciples actually received the Holy Spirit at Pentacost.  In fact Yshwe had already told them that the Holy Spirit would not come until He Himself had left them.


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Quote Al Saadiqeen21 Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2014 at 12:12pm
 
Hebrew - aramic - , Exodus 1 ; 15 , 16 , 19 , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. ) Where It States ;  And Seti I , the ruler of < Mitsrayim - aramic > 'Egypt ' said to the < Ibree - aramic > 'Hebrew ' < Yawlad - aramic > Midwives of which the name of the first one was Shifrah , Shiphrah '' brightness '' , and the name of the other one was < Fuah - aramic >  ( Puah ) ' to glitter '. Verse 16 , And he said , when you give birth to a child as a midwife to the < Ibree - aramic > Hebrew and see them upon the birthstool ; if it be a < Bane -aramic > 'Male Child , then you are to < Mooth -aramic > Kill him , but if it is a bath female child , then she will < Khawyahee - aramic > Live . Verse 19 . And the midwife said to the Pharaoh ' because the < Ibree - aramic > Hebrew female living beings are not as the Egyptian female living being ; for they are lively , and will give birth before the mideives come to them . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 2 ; 7 , 11  ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. ) Where It States ; Then said this sister Miriam to Pharaoh's daughter , Bithiah '' saw the ark among the flags '' will I go forth and call for you a nurse of the < Ibree - aramic > Hebrew female living being that she may nurse that child for you ? Verse 11 . And in time in those days , when Moses was grown , that he went out to his < Awkh - aramic > Brother , and looked on their burden ; And he spied on an < Mitsree - aramic > Egyptian male living being striking a < Ibree - aramic > Hebrew , one of his < Awkh - aramic > Brothers .< King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 21 ; 2 ,   ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. ) Where It States ; If a < Gawnab - aramic > Thief is found breaking up , and being hit that he < Mooth -aramic > Dies , there will no < Dawm - aramic > Blood he shed for him . .< King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
The word Hebrew in Aramic ( Hebrew ) is < Ibriy - aramic > Which means '' To Cross Over , To Pass Over '' , It comes from the root word < Abar - aramic > Meaning '' To Cross Over '' And its the same in the Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic )  language , < Ibriy - arabic > Meaning '' The Other Side Or Cross Over '' . HEBREW is just a title for what Abraham and his people did , Not What They Were .
 
The word '' Hebrew '' Is a Title that was attributed to Abraham when he traveled from the Ur Of Chaldees , And '' Crossed '' A strip of land called Mesopotamia nestled between the Tigris and the Euphrates Rivers ( Genesis 12 ; 6 , 14 ; 13 ) .
 
 Genesis 12 ; 6 , Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. Where It States ;  And Abram passed through that part of the Planet Earth to the place of Sichem the back of the dhoulders , a city called Nablus today in Palestine , to the oak of Moreh , place of teachings '' . And the Canaanites were then living in that part of the Planet Earth . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Genesis 14 ; 13  Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. Where It States ;  And there came one that had escaped and reported all this to Abram the < Ibriy - aramic > Hebrew the one who crossed over ( Hebrew ) ; Who was living near a sacred tree in the plain of Mamre '' fatness '' the mountain dweller Mamre and his brothers Eshcol '' cluster , and his brother Aner '' a young man ; And these were the allies of Abram . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
The Canaanite tribe of Sidon who mixe in with the Assyrians witnessed Abraham crossing the Tigris -Euphrates River , And Ibriy - '' One Who Passes Over ''
 
Tigris - Euphrates , Where Abraham crossed and was called a Hebrew ; One Who Passes Over
 
 
Jacob - Aramic - Israrel - Aramic - Exodus 1 ; 1 , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. ) Where It States ; And These Beinf Are The Names Of The Son's If Israel , Which Came Into < Mitsrayim - aramic > 'Egypt ; Every Male Living Being And His Household Came With Jacob . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 2 ; 24  , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. ) Where It States ; And The Eloheem Listened To Their Groaning , And The Eloheem Remembered His < Bereeth - aramic > Covenant With Abraham , With Isaac , And With Jacob . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 3 ; 6  , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. ) Where It States ;  He Said , ''I Am The Elohe Of Your Father The Elohe Of Abraham , The Elohe Of Isaac ; The Elohe Of Jacob And Moses < Sawthar - aramic > Hid 'He Face For He Was < Yawray aramic > Afraid To < Nawbat - aramic > Look Down Upon The Eloheem . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 4 ; 5  , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; That They May Have Faith That Yahuwa Elohe Of Their Fathers , The Elohe Of Abraham , The Elohe Of Isaac , And The Elohe Of Jacob , Have Made Himself < Rawaw - aramic > Seen 'to you .< King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
 Exodus 6 ; 3  , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; And I Made Myself < Rawaw - aramic > Seen ' To Abraham And To Isaac , And To Jacob By El  Shaadi , The Almighty ,But By My Name Yahuwa , I Was Not < Jawdah - aramic - > Know To Them . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 19 ; 3  , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; And Moses Went Up To The Eloheem , And Yahuwa < Qawraw - aramic > Called , To Him Out Of < Har -aramic > Mountain Saying , Thus Will You Say To The House Of Jacob , And Tell The Children Of Israel . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 32 ;1 3  , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; Remember Abraham , Isaac , And Israel , Your Male Slaves , To Whom You < Shawbah - aramic > Swore By Your Own Self , And Said To Them , I Will < Rawbaw -aramic > Your < Zehrah - aramic > Yielding Seed As The < Kokawb - aramic > Star's Of The < Shawmahyim -aramic > Sky And All This Part Of The Planet Earth That I Have < Dawbar > Spoken Of Will I Give To Your < Zehrah - aramic > Yielding Seed , And They Will < Nawkhal -aramic - > Inherit It For < Owlam> Everlasting . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Jacob meaning '' Supplanter '' , Was the son of Isaac and Rebecca , From Jacob , came The Nation Of Israel or The Isralites ( 25 - 23  ; 35 ; 11 ) ,
 
Exodus 25 ; 23   , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; You Are Also To Make A < Shoolkhawn - aramic > Table Of  Shittaw 'Acacia Ates Wood ; Two Cubites Will Be Its Length And A Cubit Will Be Its Wideness , And A Cubit , And A Half The Height Of It . 18 Inches Wide And 27 Inches High .  < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 35 ; 11    , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; The < Mishkawn - aramic > Dwelling Place , Its < Ohel -aramic > Tabernacle , Its covering its clasps , And Its Boards , its bars pillars , and its sockets . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Jacob was the beloved of his mother Rebbecca . In Genesis 25 ; 30 - 34 , Where It States ; And Esau said to Jacob , < Lawat - aramic > Feed Me I Plead , Beg Of You , From That Same < Ha -Awdome - aramic > The Reddish ' Ha-Awdome The Reddish Brown Stuff ( Stew ) , For I Am < Awyate - aramic > Exhausted ; Therefore Was His Nick Name < Qawraw - aramic > Called Edome 'Edom ; From Adam Meaning , Earthling From Reddish Brown Soil , Because He Repeated The Red Stuff Twice . Verse 31 . And Jacob Said , < Mawkar - aramic > Sell Me First Your Birthright ( Blessings ) , All The Rights To The Wealth And Priesthood Of The Family ', Verse 32 , And Esau Said , Behold , I Am About To < Mooth -aramic > Die ' And What Profit Will The < Bekoraw - Brithright  ( Blessing ) Do To Me ? Verse 33 . And Jacob Said , < Shawbah - aramic > Swear ; To Me First ; And He < Shawbah - Aramic > Swore To Him ; And He < Mawkar - aramic > Sold ' His < Bekoraw - aramic > Birthright ( Blessing ) To Jacob . Verse 34 . And Jacob Gave Esau < Lekhem - aramic > Bread And Reddish Brown < Nawzeed - aramic > Stew ; And He Ate And Drank , And Rose Up , And Went His Way ; So Esau < Bawzaw - aramic > Despied His < Bekoraw - aramic > Blessing . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
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Jacob running from Esau ( His Brother ) , Because Esau sold his birthright to him over a bowl of red pottage lentils and bread . Jacob then received the blessing from his father , Isaan , Because his mother Rebecca took one of Esau's clothing and put it on him . She also put Goat Sking around his Hands and Neck so his Father Isaac would think that it was Esau ,
 
Genesis 27 15 , Where It States ; And Then Rebecca Took Her < Gawdole - aramic > Eldest < Bane - aramic > Son's Esau Most Precious < Behged - aramic > Clothing Which Were With Her In The House , And < Lawbash - aramic > Put Them On Jacob Her < Qawtawn -aramic > Younger < Bane -aramic > Son . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Esau hated Jacob , So he promised to kill him after his father died Rebecca Overhead Esau talking , And told her son to go to haran with her brother Laban ,
 
Genesis 27 ; 41 - 43 , Where It States ; And Esau < Sawtam - aramic > Hated Jacob Because Of The < Berawkaw - aramic > Blessing His < Awb - aramic > Gave Him ; And Esau Said In His < Labe - aramic > Heart , The Days Of < Aybale -aramic > Mourning For My < Awb - Arabic - >Father Is < Qawrab - aramic > Coming Near ; Then I Will < Hawrag - aramic > Kill My < Awkh - arabic > Brother Jacob . Verse 42 , And These Words Of Esau The < Gawdole - aramic > Eldest < Bane - aramic > Son , Were Told To Rebecca ; And She < Shawlakh - aramic > Sent And < Qawraw - aramic > Called For Jacob , Her < Qawtawn - aramic > Younger Son , And Said To Him , ''Behold , Your < Awkh - aramic > Brother 'Esau , Is Planning Revenge To < Hawrag - aramic > Kill You . Verse 43 , So Now , My < Bane - aramic > Son , < Shawmah - aramic > Obey My Voice ; And < Qoom -aramic > Get Up , And < Bawrakh - aramic > Flee At Once To My < Awkh - aramic > Brother , Laban In Haran . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
In the process of trying to run from his Brother Esau , Jacob was stopped by what '' Followers Of The King Jame Bible , Called '' An Angel '' that was obviously in ( Human Form ) in order for Jacob to be able To Wrestle With Him . Jacob Wrestled with what ,
 
Genesis 32 ; 24 , Where It States ; And Jacob Was Left Alone And There < Awbaq - aramic > Wrestled A < Eesh - aramic > Male Living Being , The Eloheem With Him Until The Breaking Of < Shakar - aramic > The Dawn ' Because He Was Running Away In Fear .  < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Refers to as , In the Aramic / Hebrew language an < Eesh - aramic > meaning '' Male Living Being , Physical Man '' , After the fight at Peniel ,
 
Genesis 35 ; 25 , Where It States ; And The < Bane - aramic > Sons 'of Rachel's Slave Bilhan Were Dan Who Had A Confidante Wife Named Kaniti And Naftali Who Had A Confidante Wife Named Debirah .  < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
He was blessed and his name was changed to Israel meaning '' Yahuwa Prevails , Genesis 35 ; 10 , Where It States ; And One Of The Eloheem Said To Him , Your Name Is Jacob , Your Name Shall Not Be < Qawraw - aramic > Called Jacob Anymore , Israel Will Be Your Name And The Eloheem < Qawraw - aramic > Called His Name Israel .  < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Banee Israaiyl or the Israelites are descendants of Jacob / Israel . The word Israel is .. Describing An Incident of A Messenger of Yahuwa , Or Angels as you may say Prevailing over Jacob in a Fight .
 
Isaac - aramic - > Exodus 2 ; 24   , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; And The Eloheem Listened To Their Groaning , And The Eloheem Remember His < Bereeth - aramic > Covenant With Abraham , With Isaac , And With Jacob . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 3 ; 6 , 15 -16    , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; He Said , I Am The Elohe Of Your Father The Elohe Of Abraham , The Elohe Of Isaac ; The Elohe Of Jacob , And Moses < Sawthar 'Hid His Face ; For He Was < Yawray - aramic > 'Afraid To < Nawbat - aramic > Look Down Upon The Eloheem . Verse 15 . And The Eloheem Said Moreover To Moses , Thus Will You Say To The Children Of Israel , Yahuwa Elohe Of Your Fathers , The Elohe Of Abraham , The Elohe Of Isaac , And The Elohe Of Jacob Have Sent Me Forth To You ; This Is My Name < Olawm - aramic > The Everlasting , And This Is My < Zayker - aramic > Remembrance To Your Future Generations . Verse 16 , Go Forth , And Gather The < Zawqane - aramic > Elders of Israel Together , And Say To Them , Eloheem , Yahuwa Elohe Of Your Fathers , The Elohe Of Abraham , Of Isaac , And Of Jacob , Made Himself < Rawaw - aramic > Seen To Me , Saying , I Have Surely < Fawkad - aramic - > Visited You , And Seen That Which Is Done To You In < Mitsrayim - aramic > Egypt .  < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 6 ; 3 , 8 , ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; And I Made Myself < Rawaw - aramic > Seen To Abraham And To Isaac , And To Jacob By El Shaadi , The Almighty  , But By My Name A Yahuwa , I Was Not < Yawdah - aramic > Known To Them . Verse 8 . And I Will Bring You Into That Part Of The Planet Earth , Which I Did < Nawsaw - aramic - > Give It To Abraham , To Isaac , And To Jacob ; And I Will < Nawsaw - aramic - > Give It To You For A < Moraawshaw - aramic > Possession ; I Am Yahuwa . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 32 ; 13 ,  Revealed  1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; Remember Abraham , Isaac , And Israel , Your Male Male Slaves , To Whom , You < Shawbah - aramic > Swore By Your Own Self , And Said To Them , I Will < Rawbaw - aramic > Multiply Your < Zehrah - aramic > Yielding Seed As The < Kokawb - aramic > Star's Of The < Shawmahyim - aramic -> Sky , And All This Part Of The Planet Earth  That I Have < Dawbar - aramic > Spoken Of Will I Give To Your < Zehrah - aramic - > Yielding Seed , And They Will < Nawkhal -aramic > Inherit It For < Owlam - aramic > Everlasting . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Exodus 33 ; 1  Revealed  1512 B.C.E. )  Where It States ; And Yahuwa Spoke To Moses , Depart , Ascend Up , You And The Nation Of People That You Have Brought Up Out Of The Part Of The Planet Earth Of < Mitsrayim - aramic > Egypt , To The Part Of The Planet Earth Of Which I < Shawbah - aramic > Swore To Abraham , To Isaac , And To Jacob , Saying , To Your < Zehrah - aramic > Yielding Seed Will I < Nawthan - aramic > Give It ; < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Isaac - aramic - or Yitskhaq means '' He Who Laughs , In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) his name is Ishaaq - arabic > Koran 2 ; 136 , Where It States ;  Tell Them This , ( Muhammad ) And His Followers Have Faith In Allah , And What He Sent Down To Us , ( The Qur'aan ) And What He Sent Down To Abrawhawn And Yishmael And Yitschaq , And Ya'aqob And The Tribes And What Was Given To Mosheh , ( The Torah ) And Isa The ( Revelations And What Was Given To The < Anbiyaa - arabic > Newsbearers , From Their Rabb Master , We ( Muhammad And His Followers ) Do Not ( Nufarriqu - arabic ) Make Any Distinction Between Any Of Them And We Muslimuwn Surrender In Peace To Him .
 
He is the second Son of Abraham , By his first Wife / Sister Sarah . The Prophet Isaac received The Covenant Of Promise or Prophethood . Genesis 17 ; 21 , Where It States ;  And My < Bereeth - aramic > Covenant Will I Establish With Isaac , Whom Sarah Will Bear To You At This Season In The Next Year . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Was a promise that was not necessary to be fulfilled because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac  ( Genesis Chapter 22 ) .
 
Verses 1 - 14 , Is speaking of ( The Sacrifice ) . Verses 15 -19 , Is speaking of ( Isaac Is Spared ) .
Verses 20 - 24 , Is speaking of ( Nahor's Descendants ) ....
 
The promise that Abraham seed were to inherit The Land of Canaan was also part of the Convenant of Promise in Genesis 12 ; 1 - 2 , Where It States ;  And Yahuwa Said To Abram '' The Exalted Father '' , Go For Thyself Out Of Your Part Of The Planet Earth Of Ur Of Chaldea , And From Your Blood Relatives , The Syrian Chaldeans And From Your Father Terah's House , Who Was A Chaldean To The Part Of The Planet Earth That I Will < Rawaw - aramic > Show 'You . Verse 2 . And I Will Make Of You Abram A < Goee - aramic -> Gentile Nation Of  < Gawdole - aramic > Many , And I Will < Bawrak - aramic > Bless You , And Make Your Name Known By Many . And You Will Be A < Berawkaw - aramic > Blessing ' . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
 
Through him came the Israelites .
 
 
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Quote iec786 Replybullet Posted: 24 February 2014 at 8:19am
Hi Caringheart,

The Gospels were not given by the Holy Ghost.Mark wrote and Matthew and Luke cribed it.

Mat did not write Mathew
Mark did not write Mark and Luke did not write Luke and John did not write John these are all anonymous books.

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