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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Topic: Hmmmmm!
    Posted: 27 March 2005 at 6:24pm

The topic heading says - Islamic Interfaith Dialogue between Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Salafi, etc.

Correct me if I am wrong. There are two major sects within Muslim Ummah - Sunni (85%) and Shi'ites (15%). Then Suunis are divided into 35 sub-sects, while Shi'ites count for 37 sects. Salafis, Wahabbis, Deobandi, Ahl-e-Qur'an, etc. all consider themselves sunnis - while a sufi can be a Sunni or Shi'ite.

So who is talking to whom?

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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2005 at 9:12pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah wa barkatuhu,

Originally posted by Rehmat

So who is talking to whom?

Anyone can talk to anyone, as long as a decorum is maintained on the forum.

Maa salaama,

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 28 March 2005 at 10:20am

No. That's not what I meant. I was merely keeping the facts straight - that except Shi'ites, every Muslim sectarian thinks that he/she is Sunni - including a Qadiani, or a Sufi

Personally, I never have stomach for any sectarian person or group. I participate on both Sunni and Shi'ite websites.

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Quote Aliya Replybullet Posted: 28 March 2005 at 11:27am

and some shia subsects, like zaidis are closer to sunni than to mainstream shias (Shia Ithna Asheri), but for some reason they fall under the umbrella of shia rather than sunni

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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 28 March 2005 at 4:04pm
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and some shia subsects, like zaidis are closer to sunni than to mainstream shias (Shia Ithna Asheri), but for some reason they fall under the umbrella of shia rather than sunni

I am afraid that's not true. Shi'itism is divided into two main sects - 12-Imami and Zaidi. The 7-Imami (Ismaili) are part of Zaidi.

On the other hand, both sunni sects - Hannafi and Maliki take Shi'ite's sixth Imam - Imam Ja'afar Sadiq as their Sunni Imam.

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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 28 March 2005 at 6:19pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

>>>Islamic Interfaith Dialogue<<<

It is called "Intrafaith" meaning of the same religion, I made the same mistake. The four madhabs are not a sect, neither are sufi's (traditional sufi's anyway).

Defanition of a sect in islam is a group who thinks they are correct while everyone out side there group is incorect ie munafiq,fasiq, kafir etc.
Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Quote Rehmat Replybullet Posted: 29 March 2005 at 4:29am

Originally posted by rami

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

>>>Islamic Interfaith Dialogue<<<

It is called "Intrafaith" meaning of the same religion, I made the same mistake. The four madhabs are not a sect, neither are sufi's (traditional sufi's anyway).

Defanition of a sect in islam is a group who thinks they are correct while everyone out side there group is incorect ie munafiq,fasiq, kafir etc.

I disagree.

There are several Haddiths which mentions division of Ummah into 72 or so, sects.

The word "Madhab" has different meanings in different languages - for example in Persian and Urdu, it means 'religion'.

The 'four' are not 'madhabs', but "Schools of Fiqah (Jurisdiction)" - the fifth being "Fiqah-e-Ja'afariah".

As I posted earlier - Sufi could belong to Shi'ite or Sunni denomination of Islam. Historically, it were the Sufi Safvid dynasty, which converted Sunni majority into a minority in Iran, over a few centuries ago.

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Quote Mustafaa Replybullet Posted: 29 March 2005 at 7:10am
Originally posted by Rehmat

No. That's not what I meant. I was merely keeping the facts straight - that except Shi'ites, every Muslim sectarian thinks that he/she is Sunni - including a Qadiani, or a Sufi

Personally, I never have stomach for any sectarian person or group. I participate on both Sunni and Shi'ite websites.

Wa Salaam

Since you discriminate against neither the so-called Sunnis nor the so-called Shiites, I think you agree with the purpose of this part of the IslamiCity forum. It's to develop friendly and brotherly interaction among Muslims.

Sufis are generally Sunnis, as far as I know. Are the Safawis really deemed a Sufi group? When they first appeared in the political stage, they believed in a non-mainstream Shiite branch. Later they adopted mainstream Twelver (Imaami) Shi'ism and spread it in Iran. The Safawis were originally Turks, and their early understanding of Shiism was affected by pre-Islamic Shamanistic beliefs of the Turks. As I have said just now, they later adopted mainstream Twelver Shiism.

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