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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 25 March 2014 at 8:06am
I am glad to hear that you don't buy into this whole numerology mumbo jumbo. Thanks for your clarification.
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Quote islamispeace Replybullet Posted: 25 March 2014 at 5:20pm
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I wasn't doubting that the names of Adam and Jesus appear in the Quran as samirfaithful says. Only that just because they appear like that it doesn't mean it is a miracle. The alternatives are coincidence (as noted by samirfaithful) or intentional editing.

Evidence for intentional editing? You'll need to look into the history of the Quran and the compilations by Ali ibn Ali Talib and Zaid ibn Thabit and others.


You still have not provided any proof for "intentional editing".  The Compilations of Ali and Zaid?  Well, what about them?  Can you demonstrate that there were acts of "intentional editing" which resulted in the numerical alignment as shown in samirfaithful's post?

You may be interested to read Dr. M.M. Al-Azami's book "The History of the Quranic Text: From Revelation to Compilation: A Comparative Study with the Old and New Testaments", for a detailed summary of the various compilations, starting with that of Abu Bakr (ra). 

You should also remember that from they very beginning of Islamic history, Muslims have been memorizing the Quran.  Hence, any attempt at "intentional editing" is bound to fail since the collective memory of 1400 years of Islamic history will serve as a strong deterrent.  It was true at the beginning and it is true now. 

Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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Quote islamispeace Replybullet Posted: 26 March 2014 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by schmikbob

I am glad to hear that you don't buy into this whole numerology mumbo jumbo. Thanks for your clarification.


I have never actually looked into it in much detail.  The Quran's purpose is to be a guide.  Muslims must read it and apply its teachings.  That may be hard to do when you are spending your time looking for numerical codes. 

However, if it was shown that multiple numerical "alignments" are indeed present in the text, I think it would be prudent to take a closer look.  As I said before, the more examples of numerical alignments, the less likely it is due to coincidence. 
Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2014 at 6:03am
Generally I would agree. If you could prove that some amazing numerical code was written into the Quran, that would truly be astounding. On the other hand studying the numerology inherent in any written text and pulling out the interesting and coincidental tidbits while ignoring the stuff that doesn't match your starting supposition of miraculous, seems a bit desparate and disingenuous.
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