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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2005 at 12:01am
Kenski - The mass graves and gassing of the Kurds happened while Saddam
was on the US payroll. Saddam was "our boy in Iraq" then.
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Quote ak_m_f Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2005 at 1:32am
I remember Canadian journalist Mark Steyn saying: "Saddam Hussein may be a son-of-a-bitch but he's our son-of-a-bitch."
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Kenski - The mass graves and gassing of the Kurds happened while Saddam
was on the US payroll. Saddam was "our boy in Iraq" then.

Very true! And why was that? Because Saddam was against Iran plain and simple. We looked the other way because he was against our adversary. His mass killings took on a larger scale and we distanced ourselves from him. After Saddam invaded Kuwait, America had no choice but to turn its back on him. Was looking the other way wrong? yes absolutely wrong. But how long did the concentration camps go on for? The Killing fields in Cambodia? lots of genocide, America cant stop it all acting alone. Saying America is responsible in part for those mass graves, is like saying we're responsible for the gulags in soviet Russia because we were allies with Russia in WWII.

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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2005 at 12:23pm
Saddam's murderous reign was not the U.S.' fault, nor was it the reason we
invaded Iraq. It is a post hoc justification.

All in all, the U.S' invasion will prove to be a positive event because it will
bring Islamic government to Iraq. Unfortunately Sunni Islam will be
suppressed and Christians expatriated. Bush's incompetent diplomacy
assured the elimination of Christianity in Iraq, and the 32k dead.
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Quote kenski70 Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2005 at 2:21pm

Saddam's murderous reign was not the U.S.' fault, nor was it the reason we
invaded Iraq. It is a post hoc justification.

All in all, the U.S' invasion will prove to be a positive event because it will
bring Islamic government to Iraq. Unfortunately Sunni Islam will be
suppressed and Christians expatriated. Bush's incompetent diplomacy
assured the elimination of Christianity in Iraq, and the 32k dead.

Agreed!  Its amazing to me though is how lots of people out there who do blame the US for their misfortune. I once saw an interview with an afghan man who said the post soviet war economy in Afghanistan was America's fault. and we abandoned them after they fought the Soviets for us. I'm like "Hello its your country not ours. all we did is provide support for you so you could repel the Russians."

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Quote kim! Replybullet Posted: 26 December 2005 at 6:08pm

Saddam could have been knocked off many years ago, if the US had not fought on the side of Iraq when Iran fought Iraq back to the Iran-Iraq border and then tried to invade Iraq to get Saddam, who they knew was evil.

Iraq invaded Iran. Iran fought back. Iran knew Saddam was evil. They tried to get him, but the US protected him.

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If Afghanistan had been invaded by anyone else apart from Russia, the US would have completely ignored the whole incident. But because it was the USSR that invaded, the US had to jump in and play the cowboy with the white hat. And now they are reaping what they sowed and the Afghanistani people are still suffering. The US doesn't care about them, they are just trying to protect themselves from some almost invisible, US-trained and funded enemy.

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Quote kenski70 Replybullet Posted: 26 December 2005 at 11:15pm

Saddam could have been knocked off many years ago, if the US had not fought on the side of Iraq when Iran fought Iraq back to the Iran-Iraq border and then tried to invade Iraq to get Saddam, who they knew was evil.

Iraq invaded Iran. Iran fought back. Iran knew Saddam was evil. They tried to get him, but the US protected him.

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If Afghanistan had been invaded by anyone else apart from Russia, the US would have completely ignored the whole incident. But because it was the USSR that invaded, the US had to jump in and play the cowboy with the white hat. And now they are reaping what they sowed and the Afghanistan people are still suffering. The US doesn't care about them, they are just trying to protect themselves from some almost invisible, US-trained and funded enemy.

Kim...

Outstanding Kim you are very well informed indeed.The Iran-Iraq war happened shortly after the Iranian hostage ordeal.Americans had nothing but hate for Iran. And would even back someone as foul as Saddam just to spite Iran...........Afganistan was a cold war battle field without a doubt.There have been many. But I am failing to see why the US after the war is over and we have gone are responsible for how Afghanistan turned out.Is it because we didn't stay and rebuild? We only supplied the stingers the Afghans had to have to win the war. does that make us responsible for the aftermath? The Afghans got what they wanted from the US. weapons! And why is it people are crying about the US being in Muslim lands now  but cry that we left after the Afghan war?

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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2005 at 12:15am
Pro-Israel groups today sent out press releases. They are furious at Bush
because they say he is making agreements with Iran against Israel due to
Iranian influence in Iraq.

I think even Whisper must admit Bush has been the most fair president yet
when it comes to Palestine/Israel affairs.

Maybe Iran will be the peacemaker in the middle east!

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