Bismillah,

Has a study been done to see where most of the Muslims are in the range of liberal to extreme?  That would be a very interesting thing to read.

There are many different sects and types of Muslims all over the world.  We have to try really hard in this world to find out the facts, the truths, that this world holds.  Keep looking, but look longer, much longer.  Be scientific about your search; keep records.  A little story here and there can't lead you to a scientific conclusion.

I have been to many of those parties.  The women do laugh and have fun many times.  So you just didn't stay long enough to see that.  Yes, many of the women are the primary cooks of the family.  What is your problem with that?  But many of the cookouts the men cook the meat and work the entire cookout also.  I guess you didn't see one like that yet.

We have parties inside where the women dance, laugh, sing and talk.  It's really fun.  Women can and do have fun as Muslim women.  I like being in parties with women and no men because I can be myself, like a kid I guess, and not worry about some guy's impression of me.  I never had much fun at the ones I had to go to as a young girl.  My church had dances that we were encouraged to attend.  They were so uncomfortable!  But that's me.  Well, come to think of it, most of the girls and guys just sat around staring at the floor.  Hmm.

And guess what?  According to Websters I'm probably a fundamentalist.  I'm very opinionated, you might have noticed.  Also, the women in my husband's family, whom are Phalasteeni, are opionated, outspoken and strong women.  A lot of them take care of the kids at home and cook while their husbands work outside the home.

There have to be four witnesses to leud behavior.  These fools who implement the Quraanic laws differently are causing the trouble, not the Quraan itself.

Slavery was accepted and Allah, SWT, was guiding the people in different ways to leave the evil of slavery behind.  The Muslims did it faster and more efficiently than say, Tom Jeffereson and George Washington, who had slaves when they died and did not properly provide for them to be freed and stay with their families and have homes.  Slavery is not acceptable now, and people who do this will be punished by God when they die, if not in this world also.

Rami, I guess I'm the revert of a civil servant then because it was his translation and commentary that caused me to accept Islam years ago. 

Falcon wrote: Man did not only build strong economy of world only on basis of casting blacks as subhuman - it is "OUR" nature, mankind to be Evil first and Righteous only as struggle through discipline.  We are BORN of sin.

IF the nature of mankind is to be evil first then I think all children born are born with satanic qualities and should have been buried as soon as they were born and the world would have been free of all evil. This makes absolutely no sense. On the other hand Islam believes that every child that is born is pure and free of all evil and comes with the will to submit completely to God. It is the parents or people around the child that make him/her become whatever they become. We are not born of sin rather we commit sin by absorbing satanic qualities of greed, hate etc. But when we seek to rectify ourselves then we also begin our search for guidance. Only a constant desire to cleanse oneself of sin can lead to the search for true guidance. That true guidance is in the belief of the existence of the One and Only true God and to work righteousness by following what He has enjoined.

Unlike the belief of the Christians that man is born of sin, in Islam we believe that man is born pure and has the opportunity to remain pure by believing in the One God and working righteousness. Then he has the hope of a good hereafter. He is accountable for all his actions and only true repentance can wipe out his sins and one cannot escape by just getting baptized into a Christian and confessing his sins to a priest.

Falcon also wrote: We believers base our choices(should)on precise and accurate religeous doctrine word of God - I choose to believe the Bible's teachings that Jesus IS the Son of God.  The New Testament teaches me to follow Jesus and his desciples, not turn to a different source (Qur'an nor Muhammed)

Bismillah,

If you don't respect us, you really need to leave, Grant.  I took the time to look at your sites.  Sorry, I don't have time for a course in string theory right now.  As for the human secularism site, don't they have a discussion board there where you can communicate with people on your own level?

People who have faith have assumptions.  God is many things to us, and you have no respect for that and don't wish to learn anything from such "inane" people.  Go save the planet; it needs you.

In your debate of Christianity vs Islam, there is no winner.  Every person must find their own way, some choose Judaism, some choose Islam, etc..  However, most accept the religion they are taught growing up!  A sort of indoctrination process.

A religion is based upon faith, there is not one true, correct religion.  Anyone claiming there faith or religion is the one and true religion is overreaching.

Tgran seems to have found a belief he is comfortable with and is just challenging you intellectually and your response is to tell him to get lost.  It is very important in todays world that we keep lines of communication open especially when we disagree.