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    Posted: 29 August 2013 at 1:59pm
Salaam Alaikum.

Chapter 16 of the Quran, verses 68 and 69, describes the honeybee.

16:68,69

And your Lord inspired to the bee, "Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct.
Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you]." There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought.


Was the author of the Quran aware that bees do not and cannot eat from all the fruits?


For example, the Yucca is a fruit producing plant that only a certain type of moth is able to pollinate. Bees, wasps, bumblebees, other insects and animals are incapable of pollinating it. Only the Yucca moth can.

The female moth, after mating, deposits her eggs in the ovary at the base of the flower. Then she collects a ball of pollen from other flowers and places this pollen ball in a special depression in the stigma of the flower, to ensure that the flower is fertilised (image 3). This pollination system is so precise that only yucca moths can pollinate these plants. Yuccas grown in regions where the yucca moth is absent will never produce seeds unless the plants are hand-pollinated. Moreover, there is growing evidence that the many different Yucca species are pollinated by different yucca moths, specialised for the plant species.

http://archive.bio.ed.ac.uk/jdeacon/desertecology/yuccas.htm


Why would the Quran's author tell bees from all the fruit, when there are some fruit that bees cannot even get to?


Also, some plants fruit producing plants, like the California Buckeye, kill honey bees by poisoning them.

Wildlife
Do not plant buckeyes near apiaries as the
flowers are poisonous to honey bees. No wildlife eat
buckeye seeds except squirrels, such as the California
ground squirrel (Citellus beecheyi).


http://plants.usda.gov/plantguide/pdf/cs_aeca.pdf


According to the Quran, God has told the honey bee to eat of all the fruit. Yet there are some fruit that poison bees, and others that they simply cannot get to.

How could God have told the bee to eat of all the fruits, given the inaccesibility and outright poison to bees, for some of them?
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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 30 August 2013 at 7:26am
I had already given U reply but U R not satisfied as usual.
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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 30 August 2013 at 8:10am
Originally posted by NABA

I had already given U reply but U R not satisfied as usual.

Salaam Alaikum, NABA.

Have you actually read this post? If you did, you would have noticed that I was pointing out another fact.

In the post you responded to (or tried to), I brought up the fact that honey can kill people, despite the Quran's author stating that it contains healing.
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25890&PN=8

In this post, I brought up the fact that there are fruit that are deadly and inaccessible to bees, despite the Quran's author telling bees to "eat from all the fruit".

Same verse, different mistake.

Please take the time to read what I have actually written, before accusing me of being "not satisfied as usual". It will make you look less silly.

All praise and honour be to God- the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 31 August 2013 at 7:15am
but the point is that ur comments prove u R silly,at some time u believe God is one,then u believe in concept of trinity,then u call human beings as eternal,yet u believe in life and death,people with double meaning statements are not wise like u the verse u quoted ends with people who give thought means we have to enquire before doing anything.i believe I m not eternal because Allah says in Qur'an in ch 3 v 185-every living being will taste death.
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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 31 August 2013 at 9:54pm
Salaam Alaikum.
Originally posted by NABA

but the point is that ur comments prove u R silly

I am not the one making false accusations against you, it is the other way around.
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,at some time u believe God is one,then u believe in concept of trinity,

Trinity = one God existing as three persons. That you see a contradiction between God being one and God being a Trinity shows that you misunderstand what the Trinity is.
Originally posted by NABA


then u call human beings as eternal,yet u believe in life and death,

Does not the Quran teach that we will live eternally after death... either in Paradise or Hell?
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people with double meaning statements are not wise like u

Neither of the statements I said are contradictory. It is you who misunderstands Christian teachings.
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 the verse u quoted ends with people who give thought means we have to enquire before doing anything.

So in other words, if God tells you that honey contains healing, instead of believing Him, you need to inquire first, right?
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i believe I m not eternal because Allah says in Qur'an in ch 3 v 185-every living being will taste death.

Yes, we will all taste death. But after we die, we enter into new life, which will last forever. So we do live eternally.


By the way, you still have not answered my question. Why did God according to the Quran tell the bees to eat from all kinds of fruit? Was He unaware that some fruit bees cannot get to, and others kill them?

I answer all your questions. Why do you not do the same to mine?


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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 01 September 2013 at 1:37am
no U have not answered to the verses I have quoted from bible such as gospel of mark ch 16 v 17-18,U say its an addition how it can b the word of God if its an addition from human,moreover Allah says honey acts as medicine so yes this is TRUE,but U tell me y Allah says this is the sign for people who give thought,as I told U that Allah allows us to eat cabbage but I told U that a wise man will wash and then eat.
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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 01 September 2013 at 2:06am
moreover I want to tell U that in that verse Allah says eat of the fruits to bees,so most of them are harmless to bees but to humans,Allah says in ch 5 v 90-don't intoxicate ur body and b successful.so a wise man after reading this verse will obviously think before using honey,Allah says in ch 2 v 222-Allah loves those who R clean.so its obvious that cleanliness include clean hygeine includes purity in every sense,as I told U about cabbage example.and moreover U tell me do U extract honey by yourself???its a tedious process,and lot of precautions are taken,if honey moisture content is less than 20%then chances are it is thin,Allah says in their belly there is a drink means Allah is knocking our wisdom by saying it is for people who give thought.moreover Allah says in ch 29 v 69-if U strive in way of your lord Allah will open pathways for U.so when man applied his wisdom to extract honey Allah helped him.
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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 01 September 2013 at 10:55am
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no U have not answered to the verses I have quoted from bible such as gospel of mark ch 16 v 17-18,U say its an addition how it can b the word of God if its an addition from human,

My answer was this: it is an addition. It is not the word of God. That is why in  most Bibles, Mark 16:9-20 is labelled as being an addition. The majority of what is in the Bible is not added, a few parts are, and these parts are very clearly marked so the reader knows they are not from God. I hope that answered your question.

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moreover Allah says honey acts as medicine so yes this is TRUE,

It is true sometimes. Other times, it is FALSE.

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but U tell me y Allah says this is the sign for people who give thought,as I told U that Allah allows us to eat cabbage but I told U that a wise man will wash and then eat.

I already explained the difference to you. Cabbage is washed off because what is on it can be bad for you. The cabbage itself is good.

On the contrary, honey by itself (without any contaminants) can be deadly for you. Yet according to the Quran, God just said it is a healing.

And as I have shown you, the tafsirs demonstrate that the phrase "this is a sign for people who give thought" has nothing to do with whether or not it is safe.

A question for you- if God were to tell you that something is good for you, would you believe Him, or check to make sure?
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