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Quote bronaz Replybullet Topic: Surah 14.4
    Posted: 21 May 2013 at 8:03pm
And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

The above is from Sura  14:4
My question is this...If Allah sends  someone Astray he is directing him  towards hell. We all have free choice...but  the will of God overrides  it  in some matters eg  life, death etc. When Allah predestines to lead someone  astray...he is setting him on a path to HELL. That would be unusual for a God to do..because the very purpose of a holy book is to guide people  to heaven.
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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2013 at 9:09am
In Surah Al Ra'ad ch 13 v 11-Allah does not change the position of those people who themselves don't want to change,from this verse it is truly mentioned we ourselves are responsible for our own deeds,Allah sent those people to astray who themselves don't want to know the truth I.e truth about Islam(submitting the will to Allah).Surah Al Ankaboot ch 29 v 69-if U strive in the way of Allah,Allah will open pathways for U in heaven.yes,Allah has decided about birth and death,as mentioned in Surah Al Mulk ch 67 v 2-Allah has created life and death to test U.
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Quote bronaz Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2013 at 7:58pm
First of  all if we call Quran the Word of God...each phrase  should be able  to stand on its own merit..and not be explained by some other verse. If  two verses say the same thing then we  can  confirm  what is being said.The key point that seems to be made here is predistination...Allah seems to have predestined some for hell, it clearly states Allah sends astray who he wills..
Clearly the persons will has nothing to do with it...he is destined for hell from the very beginning.
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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2013 at 9:37am
no,I don't agree with you,then what's the meaning living in this cruel world where so many times U R right but still can't get the desired result,because Allah is testing us for patience as mentioned in Surah Al Asra ch 103 v 1-3-with the token of time men is in the state of loss except those who have faith,who does righteous deeds,resort people to truth,resort people to patience and perseverance.then I will tell U a TRUE incident about prophet Jonah(pbuh),he was disheartened when his people were not willing to listen to his message to worship Only Allah,with that he left his place and went on to the ship,suddenly a violent storm appeared,then the captain tossed who will abandoned the ship in order to remove one who brought bad luck(people in those ages were superstitious)somehow that happened to b prophet Jonah(pbuh) and he jumped into the sea and he was swallowed by the fish,in side it he was in the very dark situation,from there he called Allah for help and Allah helped him(ch 21 v 87),Allah clearly says in Surah al saffat ch 37 v 143-144-that if prophet Jonah(pbuh) would not have called Allah in that phase,Allah could have him remained in the stomach of fish till judgment day,this proves that it is in our hands to receive guidance or not.

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Quote bronaz Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2013 at 7:20pm
Using what you said....Since  Allah chooses he wants  to save...he chose to save Jonah....but if  it was someone else who was predestined for hell...he wouldnt save him...that  is what the ayat says
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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2013 at 11:16am

Then I ask U y v R here???y iblis who ones was an angel become Satan after not bowing to prophet Adam(pbuh),because Allah regards human beings as the best creation and he given us guidelines to follow it or not,free will means not to bound by destiny(except life n death)

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Quote bronaz Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2013 at 7:09pm
The question I raised was that the Quran specifically states that  Allah sends astray who he wills. Instead of guiding everyone to heaven...some are predestined for hell...then why follow the Muslim faith when heaven is not guaranteed by your holy book. If some one is going to be led astray by Allah then he is doomed from the moment of birth. In the case of Iblis...that was a choice he made but the Quran specifically states that Allah leads astray whom he wills, Are you therefore saying that the free will of any creature overrides the will of God...then that explanation is totally against what is said in that Ayat.


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Quote NABA Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2013 at 9:05am
No,not at all,Allah is above everything,I once again repeat-Surah Al Mulk ch 67 v 2-Allah created life and death to test us.Allah is saying that life is a test.for eg we give so many tests in school and colleges on question papers made by teachers,result only depend on student's hard work not according to teacher.similarly life is a test and difficulties are questions for us to test our patience,some deal with patience and some resort to wrong path,Allah clearly mentions in Surah Al Hajj ch 22 v 11-Allah says man becomes ungrateful during difficult times,in Surah Al isra ch 17 v 13-14-in the hereafter in front of every soul-his whole record of life will b put in front of him.
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