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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 02 April 2013 at 3:57pm
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I wonder how the woman came to be included in the foot washing, along with the men.... I think the Pope is seeking to revive the spirit shown to us by Christ... the spirit which He wanted us to emulate. People will naturally be uncomfortable with this... this model of change.

I see where you're coming from.... Rules are meant to be broken right?

Huh?
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 02 April 2013 at 4:00pm
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Personally, I would never allow myself to put my foot in someones face like that. That's just pride and arrogance. That's degrading someone else beyond anything, and in public. So while the pope man is showing a gesture of humility, those getting their feet washed are showing arrogance and egotism x 100. Maybe they felt good about it. But is this right? What example are they showing? That's why I'm sure most people wouldn't allow to put their feet in the face of another because humility has to be both ways. And that's why I believe this drama piece is worthless. If the pope man really wanted to show that he is on the same level then he and his crew should all dress like those normal people and focus on spending less on themselves. That would be a good place to start, not the feet.

Greetings Rational,

I guess you have not heard then, that this Pope has chosen not to have new robes made specially for himself.  He chooses not to live in the 'Papal palace', but rather in the 'Vatican guest house' which he was residing in before being named Pope.  He chooses to walk rather than be transported in expensive vehicles.
This Pope is truly attempting to provide the very example which you ask for.

Also, I actually believe it takes a great deal of humility to allow another to wash ones feet.  Think of it... would you feel comfortable, or would it force you to get outside of your comfort zone to allow someone to wash your feet?  I believe it would humble me.

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Quote nospam001 Replybullet Posted: 02 April 2013 at 4:32pm
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what does it reveal and who is this author? Get to the point ;)
Psychoanalysts call it 'projection' and 'reaction-formation'. It fits a familiar stereotype where preachers froth endlessly about sex and sin, all the while living a secret double life. UK Cardinal Keith O'Brien is an especially high-profile example, as were the televangelists Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker. Who knows? Maybe Muslims are immune. ;-)
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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 02 April 2013 at 7:34pm
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BTW why is this even a problem for you? Why would it bother you how Christians conduct their religious rituals?

Because I care about people, non muslims and muslims. Because I hate it when people are being lied to. Because they involved a "muslim" woman (even though i don't belive any of it). Because I don't agree with public in your face team effort feet washing. Because I have a right to an opinion just like you and everyone else. I could ask you the same question because you said that you're not a catholic so why do you care.

Why involve woman?  That's what I'm talking about. Would Jesus (alaihi assalam) wash the feet of daughters of the disciples?  Would he allow that they wash the feet of each others daughters? No of course not. Men do not wash the feet of other woman. This man (pope man) is no different.

I wonder if this man washes the feet of people his age.



Salaam Alaikum, Rational.

Firstly, I owe you an apology for asking why this is an issue for you. I have questioned and will continue to question things in Islam and that are done by Muslims, and I would not react positively to someone telling me that since I am not Muslim, it is not my business. So I had no justification in saying that to you.

Would Jesus wash the feet of the daughters of His disciples? I don't see why not. He came into the home of a dead girl and brought her back to life. He stopped the stoning to death of an adulteress. He allowed a woman who was living in sin to put perfume on His feet and cry over them.

Did He wash the feet of women? No. But He did visit them and protect them, and earned the ire of the pharisees by letting a woman wash His feet and kiss them.

So I don't think that the Pope washing the feet of the women was inappropriate. This is probably something we are going to disagree on, and that's OK.

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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 02 April 2013 at 7:37pm
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Originally posted by Rational

what does it reveal and who is this author? Get to the point ;)
Psychoanalysts call it 'projection' and 'reaction-formation'. It fits a familiar stereotype where preachers froth endlessly about sex and sin, all the while living a secret double life. UK Cardinal Keith O'Brien is an especially high-profile example, as were the televangelists Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker. Who knows? Maybe Muslims are immune. ;-)

Now I am confused also. What are you trying to say in regards to Rational's comments?
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Quote nospam001 Replybullet Posted: 02 April 2013 at 11:36pm

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Now I am confused also. What are you trying to say in regards to Rational's comments?
Fair enough. It's pretty confusing for me too, defending a pope - especially given my earlier posts about abuse in the Catholic Church.

On reflection, I'm guessing that Rational was only seeking to parody the kind of sleazy innuendo that is often used against Mohammed().

I admit, I was fooled. For a while I thought he was a repressed podophile. Boom-tish! Clown
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Quote aka2x2 Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2013 at 2:39am
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I think many Muslims around the world get the feet washing ritual and the humility it represents. I also think this Pope performed the ceremony with its original intent. Let us hope and pray that solid acts of peace and justice (on both sides) follow these symbolic gestures.

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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2013 at 3:23am
In general, I'm very critical of the entire Vatican and Vatican system. But I get this feeling that the new Pope is an improvement over the previous one.

Peace among believers of all religions should be priority number one in the 21st century. Washing the feet of a Muslim is a great gesture.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
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