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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 4:04pm

You document sects of christian faith, giving preception as if these sect are not christians.

Fatah, actually, you will get certain religious groups who claim one or many denominations of Christians as not being Christians.  There are many out there who openly declare my church to be non-Christian.  We are called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but my friend who owns a large chain of religious bookstores must wear a "non-christian" badge when he goes to the major christian booksellers convention every year.  Christians have no unifying doctrine, save the belief Christ is the son of God.  One church does not accept the baptisms and ordinances of another.  I cannot take communion in the Russian Orthodox Church, nor the Roman Catholic.  Though they are allowed to take communion in my church, they cannot bless it, nor can they enter our temples. 

Christians are not a group of people who agree on very much.  We argue on the nature of Jesus, Priesthood, ordinances, the nature of God and sin.....its little wonder the Muslims look at us with misunderstanding.  We don't even understand ourselves half the time.

Oh, of those 250 million....the 200 million Christians...only part of them actually practice their faith and a part of the 200 million are also Non religious



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Quote Fatah-Momin Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:06pm

Let us continue with "Ask Quran"

Can Believing women ask for Divorce?

If wife fears
Cruelty or desertion
On her husband’s part,
There is no blame on them
If they arrange
An amicable settlement
Between themselves.
And such settlement is best;
Even though men’s souls
Are swayed by greed
But if ye do good
And practice self-restraint
God is well-acquainted
With all that ye do 04:128

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Quote Fatah-Momin Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:08pm

If the divorce is not amicable what recompence does women have: EQUAL REPRESENTATION

What if the settlement is not amicable?
If ye fear breach
Between them to vain,
Appoint (two) arbitrators
One from his family
And other from hers,
If they wish peace
God will cause
Their reconciliation
or God hath full knowledge
And is acquainted
With all things 04:35

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Quote Fatah-Momin Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:11pm

It took christian women 2000 yrs to get the rights that were given to muslim women by Allah, after divorce 1400 yrs ago.

 

So what happens after divorce?

Let women live
(In iddat) in the same
Style that ye live
According to your means
(man is responsible financially for wife during iddat period)
Annoy them no so as
To restrict them
(When woman is in iddat, husband is not supposed to nag or be sarcastic to the wife)



And if they carry (life
In their wombs), then
Spend (your substance) on them
Until they deliver
Their burden……….
(Husband is responsible financially during pregnancy for women substance, and all medical expenses)
………….and if
They suckle your (offspring)
Give them their recompense
(Often the child is born and the mother is feeding, then again the husband is financially responsible for all expenses)
And take mutual counsel
Together, according to
What is just and reasonable
(It is not just up to the man to estimate the living expenses, he has to consult the woman about her needs)
And if ye find yourselves
In difficulties, let another
Woman suckle (the child)
On the (father’s) behalf 65:06
(If for some reason the mother is not able to feed the child, it’s father’s responsibility to arrange for a woman or make some alternate arrangement for the child on his expense)

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Quote Fatah-Momin Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:13pm

Christian women still thump their nose at muslim women and claim hey we got our ex by the throat, he still has to pay us after the divorce "alimony" is this a true statement, let us see what Allah has given to believing muslim women 1400yrs ago.

 

Does Muslim wife have the right to receive alimony?

For divorced women
Maintenance (should be provided)
On a reasonable
(scale)
This is the duty
On the righteous 02:241

 

Maintenance=Alimony



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Quote Fatah-Momin Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:19pm

Now if there is disagreement among the husband and wife about the amount of alimony, this too has been covered under.

If ye fear breach
Between them to vain,
Appoint (two) arbitrators
One from his family
And other from hers, 04:35

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Quote Fatah-Momin Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:23pm
Now christian women starts to scream wait we are the one who have fought for equal rights for women of the world, how can you muslim claim that it were given to muslim women 1400 yrs ago. I say "Ask Quran". These christian women now challenge Quran and claim that we also get child support after divorce, what about muslim women?
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:49pm

Actually, you need to clarify, western women not Christian women.  Most feminists view the Christian church with the same suspicion and distain.  They point to the New Testament and Paul's directive that women were not to talk in church.  They point to the fact that women cannot be priests in many of the Christian denominations.  You need to understand that western values are not necessarily Christian values.  The more I learn about Islam, the more my perceptions change.  But, I do not think that my values are represented by the media that you see.  My family prays, reads scripture, pays tithing (zakat to Muslims), we fast, and we serve our neighbors.  We dress modestly.  I do not find myself liberated by skimpy clothing, if nothing else, it makes women more objectified. 

Western feminists do not believe in traditional values of family and religion.  Please do not lump Christian women in with radical feminists.  In many ways a mother has a much, much easier time in Islam than she does in the west.  Here to say you are a stay at home mother, you get looked at like you are not contributing or there is something wrong with you. 

And as for child support?????  That's only if you can get the judge to award you enough to support your kids.  Wives here are expected to get out and get a job for their own money.....you need a prenuptial in order to get alimony anymore.

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