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nospam001
Male Agnostic Senior Member 
Joined: 02 October 2012 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 150 |
   Posted: 11 March 2013 at 1:06am |
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Originally posted by Experiential Are you daring to suggest that 'Uthmān ibn 'Affān might have deliberately changed a few words here and there, to suit his own agenda? Just because he could? As if a caliph would ever contemplate such a thing - even when that might help avert a civil war. Preposterous!
The issue for me however is whether the Koran is really the eternal, literal Word of God, unchanging, and really a Miracle book? |
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God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Experiential
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Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Online Posts: 267 |
Posted: 16 March 2013 at 12:22am |
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Originally posted by nospam001
Originally posted by Experiential Are you daring to suggest that 'Uthmān ibn 'Affān might have deliberately changed a few words here and there, to suit his own agenda? Just because he could? As if a caliph would ever contemplate such a thing - even when that might help avert a civil war. Preposterous!The issue for me however is whether the Koran is really the eternal, literal Word of God, unchanging, and really a Miracle book? Well, considering all the first few Caliphs were murdered and the violent civil wars that tore Islam apart in those early days it doesn’t surprise me if Uthman changed the Quaran for political reasons. |
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NABA
Male Islam Senior Member
Joined: 13 December 2012 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 102 |
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 1:58am |
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Originally posted by Aussie
Our prophet Muhammad(pbuh),used to memorise the message from the angel Gabriel and then he narrate these verses to his companions(Sahabas),if you read Qur'an you will notice there is no book on earth that can match it.Allah even challenges to produce verses equal to it in Surah An Yunus ch 10 v 38 Surah Al Hud ch 11 v 13.
It would seem I posted this thread in a rarely visited sub forum, I hope it's ok to repost it here
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Experiential
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 12:33am |
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Originally posted by NABA
Originally posted by Aussie Our prophet Muhammad(pbuh),used to memorise the message from the angel Gabriel and then he narrate these verses to his companions(Sahabas),if you read Qur'an you will notice there is no book on earth that can match it.Allah even challenges to produce verses equal to it in Surah An Yunus ch 10 v 38 Surah Al Hud ch 11 v 13.It would seem I posted this thread in a rarely visited sub forum, I hope it's ok to repost it here
I accept the challenge. I have read much of the Koran and I find many other books and poems I have read far superior to anything in the Koran. There is ample evidence to prove the Koran is not a miracle. |
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Empiricist
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Joined: 26 February 2012 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
Posted: 19 May 2013 at 2:16am |
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The Quran Dilemma book also discusses these same issues and was written by FORMER Muslim scholars. Their agenda is to find the TRUTH. There is only one. Once you realize the fact that the Koran had many different versions, and that many Muslims disagreed on the content, and that Muhammed was not around to clarify and in fact wrote none of it, then you cannot say that it is 100% accurate or even holy. So then it really is not any better than the Bible, and the Bible should be given more credibility, especially the words and works of Jesus. Maybe they are true? Maybe Muslims should heed his words, or at least study them and decide for yourself what is true. We all have the ability to discern truth. If you never read it you will never know it. You cannot be sure of the Koran any more than the bible, so you need to decide for yourself. Edited by Empiricist - 19 May 2013 at 2:19am |
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Caringheart
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Posted: 20 May 2013 at 8:58am |
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Originally posted by Empiricist The Quran Dilemma book also discusses these same issues and was written by FORMER Muslim scholars. Their agenda is to find the TRUTH. There is only one. Once you realize the fact that the Koran had many different versions, and that many Muslims disagreed on the content, and that Muhammed was not around to clarify and in fact wrote none of it, then you cannot say that it is 100% accurate or even holy. So then it really is not any better than the Bible, and the Bible should be given more credibility, especially the words and works of Jesus. Maybe they are true? Maybe Muslims should heed his words, or at least study them and decide for yourself what is true. We all have the ability to discern truth. If you never read it you will never know it. You cannot be sure of the Koran any more than the bible, so you need to decide for yourself. My point exactly. No one should ever dismiss something without reading it for themselves. No one should simply take the word of another. As it says in the Biblical scriptures; 'test the scriptures to see that they are true' 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.and, 'study to show thyself approved'
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Let us seek Truth together
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NABA
Male Islam Senior Member
Joined: 13 December 2012 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 102 |
Posted: Yesterday at 10:00am |
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Qur'an has no versions,it is one and the last revelation of Allah,there are many scientific facts mentioned in Qur'an 1400 years ago ,which scientists today are discovering,example in Surah Al Furqaan ch 25 v 61-the moon has no light of its own,it reflects the light of sun,this fact was discovered by scientists many years after revelation of Qur'an,science has not developed yet to understand Quran |
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