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bullet Posted: 06 October 2005 at 6:04pm
hi, decent reply..by the way dont wry you wont offend us..we r all here to learn from eachother..
but again sry no one showed me n e verse in the quran that says cigz or marijuana is haram..ur r ryt its bad..and again u said n e thing that alters ur state of mind does this mean coffee is haram too?..am not tryin to change the subject am tryin to question ur statement..n yea those ancinet ppl have discovered the pleasures behind it..."the pleasure"...we r talking about a plant that naturally grows not man made drug such as crack cocaine...
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bullet Posted: 06 October 2005 at 9:37pm

I mentioned caffine right? that is also apart of a mind altering drug as well.....as I mentioned I try to avoid things with caffine.

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bullet Posted: 06 October 2005 at 10:31pm

I don't think mankind has said anything about cigerettes, he says cigz which translated is cigers. Could be wrong thou ;)

Both are bad anyway.

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bullet Posted: 06 October 2005 at 10:43pm
nah i was talkin about cigerettes...but to israfil..u stay away from caffine becuz u don like it n u believe it hurts u not becuz u think its haram..thas upto u..if u think weed is haram n u avoid it thas upto u too..i wanna know why its haram n if the quran said that..i really dont undestand..is it cuz all the western world started m,aking it illegal n then the whole world decided to do that?...
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bullet Posted: 07 October 2005 at 9:15am

Mankind the fact that you are stuck on finding the sentence "marijuana is haram"  int the Quran shows ignorance on your part of Islamic law.  Not everthing is written out for you word for word in the Quran.  Allah gave us intellect, we must use it. 

I get the feeling you've been using Give it up bro/sis nobody with an uderstanding of Quran and Sunna is going to tell you it's halal though that's probably what you want to hear.

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bullet Posted: 07 October 2005 at 12:28pm
Can you honestly say that by using marijuana or tobacco you are glorifying
God with your actions?
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bullet Posted: 07 October 2005 at 2:14pm
Hey abeer, i didnt think u would see my questioning as ignorance..and my intellect as sumting wrong..but am not suprised to here that as most ppl say that wen they don't have answers for others..i know i wont find "marijuana is haram" in the quran thas y am tryin to find a decent explanation for it..and to tell u the truth i dont want to hear it's haram..or halal..am sure there sum explanations for it as there is for cigz..thank you..byeeee...plz try to keep ur mind open to things around you...
and davidc..am sry i don get you...
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bullet Posted: 07 October 2005 at 6:41pm

Originally posted by mankind

nah i was talkin about cigerettes

oakie dokie

i really dont undestand..is it cuz all the western world started m,aking it illegal n then the whole world decided to do that?...

It doesn't matter who started to make it illegal, the observations of the effects can tell you why its illegal.

here some noted effects, problems of using:

  • Lung problems (eg chronic bronchitis, lung cancer). Cannabis smoke contains ingredients that can damage the lungs, affect your physical health and fitness and possibly cause cancer. If cannabis is smoked over many years it may get in the way of the functioning of the lungs, this may increase the chances of developing lung disease.

  • Difficulties with memory and attention - It has been shown that cannabis use over the longer term can cause problems with memory, attention and processing of complex information. This may affect everyday life when you are learning something new or doing something difficult.

  • Development of dependence - most people who use cannabis don't go on to use it regularly, or develop problems with it. However, there are a number of people who will become dependent on cannabis. The chance of becoming dependent on cannabis is similar to the chance of becoming dependent on alcohol. If someone is dependent on cannabis they may experience a difficulty controlling their use or be spending a lot of time involved in cannabis and less time on other things in their life.

  • Increased risk of mental health problems - some people have a greater risk of developing mental health problems than others. Cannabis use may trigger problems if you have a family history of serious mental illness (such as schizophrenia or depression), or you are vulnerable to developing it. If you already have a serious mental illness, cannabis use may make some of your symptoms worse.

Cannabis and experimentation
It is not uncommon to experiment with cannabis. Experimentation does not necessarily lead to problem use. If you are concerned about someone's cannabis use it may be helpful to speak with
The Alcohol and Drug Information Service (ADIS). ADIS specialise in drug and alcohol issues. It may also be helpful to calmly talk with the person you are concerned about. Engaging them in a confrontational way may only alienate them.

Mixing cannabis with other drugs
Mixing cannabis and other drugs may be dangerous. If cannabis is taken with other drugs the effects of the cannabis may be stronger.

Cannabis and driving or operating heavy machinery
If you have been using cannabis driving or operating heavy machinery is dangerous. If you are stoned your attentions span may be less or you may find it harder to react if something unexpected happens. It is possible to experience these effects even if you don't feel stoned.

Now mankind don't you think this is a good enough reason not to use marijuana ??

Why do you want the qur'an to states so ??

You are just trying to justify your use despite the known effects, do you really need God to spell it out ??

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bullet Posted: 07 October 2005 at 6:45pm
You know what..THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENT AND DECENT REPLIES...i will figure it out myself from here on..thanx again..
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bullet Posted: 07 October 2005 at 6:51pm
ok, not sure what else there is to figure out
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