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Posted: 30 January 2013 at 3:07am

John 8:40
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40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me,A MAN who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 at 9:54pm

Hello Mahdi

Yes. Jesus was a man. But as a man Gods fullness grew in him to the point at his crucifixion and resurrection he had Gods complete fullness.

And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

Luke 2:52

There are many other things Jesus said in the Injil that confirm all of God within him. For example –

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Colossians 1:19. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.

Also consider in Matthew. 4:10 that Jesus said to worship God only. But yet Jesus is worshipped and He receives worship. For example –

4.Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"

5.Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."

6.John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."

7.Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

What are human beings? Just lumps of meat? We are divine. You also have God within you and can become one with God.

The Jews of Jesus day also criticized him for claiming to be God and man.

If you read John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?

Jesus is quoting the Prophet King David from Psalm82.6

"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

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Posted: 23 February 2013 at 1:56pm

Originally posted by Experiential

Hello Mahdi

Yes. Jesus was a man. But as a man Gods fullness grew in him to the point at his crucifixion and resurrection he had Gods complete fullness.

And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Luke 2:52

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There are many other things Jesus said in the Injil that confirm all of God within him. For example –

<o:p> </o:p>

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

Colossians 1:19. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him.

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Also consider in Matthew. 4:10 that Jesus said to worship God only. But yet Jesus is worshipped and He receives worship. For example –

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4.Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" <o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

5.Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him." <o:p></o:p>

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6.John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him." <o:p></o:p>

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7.Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

What are human beings? Just lumps of meat? We are divine. You also have God within you and can become one with God.

<o:p> </o:p>

The Jews of Jesus day also criticized him for claiming to be God and man.

If you read John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

Jesus is quoting the Prophet King David from Psalm82.6

<o:p> </o:p>

"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' <o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

we are all 'gods' then.

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 12:43am

Yes.

Edited by Experiential - 25 February 2013 at 12:44am

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Posted: 26 February 2013 at 9:55am

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes.

i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.

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Posted: 27 February 2013 at 8:17pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes.

i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.

No. While humans are like Gods they are not God.

Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

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Posted: 28 February 2013 at 10:04am

Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.

No. While humans are like Gods they are not God.

Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

1. what does begotten mean?
2. then do not use the word God loosely. we are either Gods or we are not. choose one.

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Posted: 28 February 2013 at 6:54pm

Originally posted by Experiential

Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.

I don't find the creation of Jesus unique. If you want to compare, the creation of Adam was more unique.

Indeed Allah Our Creator is The Greatest. Allahuakbar!

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.

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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Topic: JESUS; I AM A MAN Posted: 30 January 2013 at 3:07am
	John 8:40 New International Version (NIV) 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me,A MAN who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 265	Posted: 21 February 2013 at 9:54pm
	Hello Mahdi Yes. Jesus was a man. But as a man Gods fullness grew in him to the point at his crucifixion and resurrection he had Gods complete fullness. And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Luke 2:52 There are many other things Jesus said in the Injil that confirm all of God within him. For example – John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Colossians 1:19. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him. Also consider in Matthew. 4:10 that Jesus said to worship God only. But yet Jesus is worshipped and He receives worship. For example – 4.Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" 5.Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him." 6.John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him." 7.Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'" What are human beings? Just lumps of meat? We are divine. You also have God within you and can become one with God. The Jews of Jesus day also criticized him for claiming to be God and man. If you read John 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? Jesus is quoting the Prophet King David from Psalm82.6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 23 February 2013 at 1:56pm
	*Originally posted by Experiential* <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Hello Mahdi <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Yes. Jesus was a man. But as a man Gods fullness grew in him to the point at his crucifixion and resurrection he had Gods complete fullness. <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Luke 2:52 <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">There are many other things Jesus said in the Injil that confirm all of God within him. For example – <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 8:24 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 8:58 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 10:30-33 <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">- Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 14:6-7 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">John 20:28 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Colossians<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1:19. <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him. <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Also consider in Matthew. 4:10 that Jesus said to worship God only. But yet Jesus is worshipped and He receives worship. For example – <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">4.Matt. 14:33 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!" <o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">5.Matt. 28:9 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him." <o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">6.John 9:35-38 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>36 He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?"<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you."<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him." <o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">7.Heb. 1:6 - <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">"And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">What are human beings? Just lumps of meat? We are divine. You also have God within you and can become one with God. <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The Jews of Jesus day also criticized him for claiming to be God and man. <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman">If you read<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> John 10:34<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'?<o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Jesus is quoting the Prophet King David from Psalm82.6 <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p> we are all 'gods' then.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 265	Posted: 25 February 2013 at 12:43am
	Yes. Edited by Experiential - 25 February 2013 at 12:44am
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 26 February 2013 at 9:55am
	*Originally posted by Experiential* Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 265	Posted: 27 February 2013 at 8:17pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Experiential* Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own. No. While humans are like Gods they are not God. Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God.
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 28 February 2013 at 10:04am
	*Originally posted by Experiential* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Experiential* Yes. i make everything lawful unto myself and admit myself to heaven since i can create one of my own. <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">No. While humans are like Gods they are not God. <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God. 1. what does begotten mean? 2. then do not use the word God loosely. we are either Gods or we are not. choose one.
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Nur_Ilahi Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031	Posted: 28 February 2013 at 6:54pm
	*Originally posted by Experiential* Jesus Christ The Messiah was unique. He was the only begotten one of God. Meaning he was the only one that was the radiance of God. I don't find the creation of Jesus unique. If you want to compare, the creation of Adam was more unique. Indeed Allah Our Creator is The Greatest. Allahuakbar!
	Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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