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Quote Experiential Replybullet Posted: 06 April 2013 at 8:01pm
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isaiah 52 and 53 are about the nation of Israel.

You are wrong for the following reasons –

 

  • The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. See for example Isaiah 1:4.

 

  • The figure described in Isaiah 53 suffers, dies, and rises again to atone for his people's sins. The Hebrew word used in Isaiah 53:10 for "sin-offering" is "asham," which is a technical term meaning "sin-offering."

       See how it is used in Leviticus chapters 5 and 6. Isaiah 53 describes a sinless and   

       perfect sacrificial lamb who takes upon himself the sins of others so that they  

       might be forgiven.

       Can anyone really claim that the terrible suffering of the Jewish people, however   

       undeserved and unjust, atones for the sins of the world?

       Whoever Isaiah 53 speaks of, the figure described suffers and dies in order to   

       provide a legal payment for sin so that others can be forgiven. This cannot be true  

      of the Jewish people as a whole, or of any other mere human.

 

  • The prophet speaking is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? Israel. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for Israel. So how could he be Israel?

 

  • The figure of Isaiah 53 dies and is buried according to verses 8 and 9. The people of Israel have never died as a whole. They have been out of the land on two occasions and have returned, but they have never ceased to be among the living. Yet Jesus died, was buried, and rose again.

 

  • Of whom does Isaiah speak? He speaks of the Messiah, as many ancient rabbis concluded. The second verse of Isaiah 53 makes it crystal clear. The figure grows up as "a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground." The shoot springing up is beyond reasonable doubt a reference to the Messiah, and, in fact, it is a common Messianic reference in Isaiah and elsewhere.

 

 

 

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Quote Experiential Replybullet Posted: 06 April 2013 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Yes you are correct Satans
payment is eternity in hell.
then stop saying stuff that does not make sense. Like
Ephesians 6:12 makes it clear that Satan rules the earth.

Now satan, not God, rules the world. Hmmmm. I would immediately discard any book that said that, i don't know about you.

As you see from the book of Genesis in the Torah and Ephesians 6.12 from the Injil The world is ultimately Gods but under Satan’s temporary control.

 

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Ephesians 6.12

 

Have you watched the news lately. Lots of problems in the world? Not exactly perfect is it? God ultimately rules but Satan has temporary control and influence.

 

Makes sense to me. Anyway I’d discard a book like the Quran that says the sun sets in a muddy pond !



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Quote Mahdi The Seeke Replybullet Posted: 07 April 2013 at 10:20am
Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

isaiah 52 and 53 are about the nation of Israel.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You are wrong for the following reasons –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


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<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> is never described as sinless. See for example Isaiah 1:4.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The figure described in Isaiah 53 suffers, dies, and rises again to atone for his people's sins. The Hebrew word used in Isaiah 53:10 for "sin-offering" is "asham," which is a technical term meaning "sin-offering."
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>See how it is used in Leviticus chapters 5 and 6. Isaiah 53 describes a sinless and <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>perfect sacrificial lamb who takes upon himself the sins of others so that they <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>might be forgiven.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>Can anyone really claim that the terrible suffering of the Jewish people, however <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>undeserved and unjust, atones for the sins of the world?


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>Whoever Isaiah 53 speaks of, the figure described suffers and dies in order to <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>provide a legal payment for sin so that others can be forgiven. This cannot be true <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">      </SPAN>of the Jewish people as a whole, or of any other mere human.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The prophet speaking is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>. So how could he be <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The figure of Isaiah 53 dies and is buried according to verses 8 and 9. The people of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> have never died as a whole. They have been out of the land on two occasions and have returned, but they have never ceased to be among the living. Yet Jesus died, was buried, and rose again.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Of whom does Isaiah speak? He speaks of the Messiah, as many ancient rabbis concluded. The second verse of Isaiah 53 makes it crystal clear. The figure grows up as "a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground." The shoot springing up is beyond reasonable doubt a reference to the Messiah, and, in fact, it is a common Messianic reference in Isaiah and elsewhere.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>

ask any jew, the people to whom the hebrew Bible was revealed, who the suffering servant is.
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Quote Mahdi The Seeke Replybullet Posted: 07 April 2013 at 10:29am
Originally posted by Experiential

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

isaiah 52 and 53 are about the nation of Israel.

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">You are wrong for the following reasons –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> is never described as sinless. See for example Isaiah 1:4.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The figure described in Isaiah 53 suffers, dies, and rises again to atone for his people's sins. The Hebrew word used in Isaiah 53:10 for "sin-offering" is "asham," which is a technical term meaning "sin-offering."
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>See how it is used in Leviticus chapters 5 and 6. Isaiah 53 describes a sinless and <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>perfect sacrificial lamb who takes upon himself the sins of others so that they <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>might be forgiven.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>Can anyone really claim that the terrible suffering of the Jewish people, however <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>undeserved and unjust, atones for the sins of the world?


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>Whoever Isaiah 53 speaks of, the figure described suffers and dies in order to <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">       </SPAN>provide a legal payment for sin so that others can be forgiven. This cannot be true <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.25in" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">      </SPAN>of the Jewish people as a whole, or of any other mere human.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The prophet speaking is Isaiah himself, who says the sufferer was punished for "the transgression of my people," according to verse 8. Who are the people of Isaiah? <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>. So the sufferer of Isaiah 53 suffered for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>. So how could he be <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The figure of Isaiah 53 dies and is buried according to verses 8 and 9. The people of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> have never died as a whole. They have been out of the land on two occasions and have returned, but they have never ceased to be among the living. Yet Jesus died, was buried, and rose again.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" =disc>
<LI style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Of whom does Isaiah speak? He speaks of the Messiah, as many ancient rabbis concluded. The second verse of Isaiah 53 makes it crystal clear. The figure grows up as "a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground." The shoot springing up is beyond reasonable doubt a reference to the Messiah, and, in fact, it is a common Messianic reference in Isaiah and elsewhere.
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>

“You are My servant, O Israel” (isaiah 41:8)
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Quote Experiential Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2013 at 10:09pm

Mahdi Said

ask any jew, the people to whom the hebrew Bible was revealed, who the suffering servant is.

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All the first believers were Jews. Jesus was a Jew. Also here are some links to Mesianic believers (Jewish Christians)

 

http://www.trumpetofsalvation.org/jacob-damkani/

 

http://www.blessisrael.com/Kehilot.html

 

Mahdi Said

“You are My servant, O Israel” (isaiah 41:8)

My Reply

Yes so? This has no relation to Isaiah 52 and 53. Isaiah 52 and 53 are obviously about a person not a nation .eg. Isaiah 52.14

 

Just as there were many who were appalled at him,

his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and his form marred beyond human likeness.

 

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Quote Mahdi The Seeke Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2013 at 5:17am
Originally posted by Experiential

<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Mahdi Said<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">ask any jew, the people to whom the hebrew Bible was revealed, who the suffering servant is.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">My Reply<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">All the first believers were Jews. Jesus was a Jew. Also here are some links to Mesianic believers (Jewish Christians)


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">http://www.trumpetofsalvation.org/jacob-damkani/


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal>[COLOR=#800080 size=3 face="Times New Roman">http://www.blessisrael.com/Kehilot.html[/COLOR">


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Mahdi Said<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">“You are My servant, O Israel” (isaiah 41:8)


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">My Reply<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Yes so? This has no relation to Isaiah 52 and 53. Isaiah 52 and 53 are obviously about a person not a nation .eg. Isaiah 52.14


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Just as there were many who were appalled at him, <o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and his form marred beyond human likeness.<o:p></o:p>


israel is referred to as 1 person in other places in the Bible e.g ezekiel 23 so your objection is unfounded
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Quote Experiential Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2013 at 9:33pm

Mahdi Said

Israel is referred to as 1 person in other places in the Bible e.g Ezekiel 23 so your objection is unfounded

 

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Considering there was approximately a 100 year time gap between both books and they were written by different authors there is no connection.

 

The Messiah being referred to in Isaiah is obviously a man not a nation. See below –

 

Just as there were many who were appalled at him,  his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and his form marred beyond human likeness …

Isaiah 52:14

 

He was despised and rejected by mankind, (a man איש 'iysh man, male)

of suffering …

Isaiah 53:3

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Quote Mahdi The Seeke Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2013 at 6:03am
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Mahdi Said<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Israel</st1:country-region></st1:place> is referred to as 1 person in other places in the Bible e.g Ezekiel 23 so your objection is unfounded


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">My Reply<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Considering there was approximately a 100 year time gap between both books and they were written by different authors there is no connection.


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The Messiah being referred to in Isaiah is obviously a man not a nation. See below –


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Just as there were many who were appalled at him, <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">human being</SPAN> and his form marred beyond <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">human likeness … <o:p></o:p></SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Isaiah 52:14


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><o:p><SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </SPAN></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">He was despised and rejected by mankind, <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">(a man איש 'iysh man, male)<o:p></o:p></SPAN>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">of suffering …<o:p></o:p>


<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Msonormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Isaiah 53:3



Considering there was approximately a 100 year time gap between both books and they were written by different authors there is no connection.
i'll remember to use this one. i am sure it will come in handy some day soon.
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