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Mahdi The Seeke
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Posted: 29 January 2013 at 10:32am

Hebrews 5:7
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7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

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Posted: 07 February 2013 at 2:30am

Hi Mahdi read on - Hebrews 5.8-

Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered

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Posted: 10 February 2013 at 6:24am

Originally posted by Experiential

Hi Mahdi read on - Hebrews 5.8-

Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered

and suffering only means dying on the cross?.

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Posted: 12 February 2013 at 10:46pm

Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 ,

Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.

Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.

Edited by Experiential - 12 February 2013 at 11:07pm

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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 11:30am

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Hebrews 5:7
English Standard Version (ESV)
7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

and he was heard because of his reverence.

Dying on the cross... being crucified... was a long and torturous death.
Jesus was spared in that His Spirit went free from His body after only 3 hours.
"into Your hands I commend My Spirit." "It is finished."

also, His legs were not broken as was the usual practice.

Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever

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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 1:52pm

Originally posted by Experiential

Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 ,

Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.

God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.

God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.that is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that.
t he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.
nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus.

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Posted: 14 February 2013 at 2:16pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Experiential

Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 ,

Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world.

God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.

Mahdi Said

That is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that.

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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.

Titus 3:5.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no one can boast.

Ephesians 2-8,9

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nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus.

My Reply

Yes your sins are covered by Christ Jesus The Messiah provided you ask Him into your life as your Lord.

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 8:45am

The operative word in the verse which Mahdi misuses is that God could save Jesus from death, which He did not do, as He let Jesus die, but He DID rescue Him from death afterwards, through the Resurrection.

The suffering delineated in Hebrews 5:8 is explained throughout the Book of Hebrews as being that of death. "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed to take away the sins of many people." (Hebrews 9:27-28)

It's really bizarre seeing Hebrews being used to 'prove' that Jesus did not die according to the Bible! Wink

Also, you still have to repent fom your sins for God the Father to be prepared to count Jesus as having died in your place, or tough.

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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Topic: BIBLE;JESUS NOT CRUCIFIED Posted: 29 January 2013 at 10:32am
	Hebrews 5:7 English Standard Version (ESV) 7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 266	Posted: 07 February 2013 at 2:30am
	Hi Mahdi read on - Hebrews 5.8- Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 10 February 2013 at 6:24am
	*Originally posted by Experiential* Hi Mahdi read on - Hebrews 5.8- Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and suffering only means dying on the cross?.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 266	Posted: 12 February 2013 at 10:46pm
	Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 , Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world. Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God. Edited by Experiential - 12 February 2013 at 11:07pm
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 13 February 2013 at 11:30am
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* Hebrews 5:7 English Standard Version (ESV) 7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. and he was heard because of his reverence. Dying on the cross... being crucified... was a long and torturous death. Jesus was spared in that His Spirit went free from His body after only 3 hours. "into Your hands I commend My Spirit." "It is finished." also, His legs were not broken as was the usual practice.
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 13 February 2013 at 1:52pm
	*Originally posted by Experiential* Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 , Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world. Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God. God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.that is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that. t he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world. nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 266	Posted: 14 February 2013 at 2:16pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Experiential* Partly his suffering was about his death. eg. Hebrews 2.14 , Hebrews 13. 12 but also in that he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world. Hebrews 12:2. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God. God is so Holy that a persons best religious efforts can never be enough to satisfy Him. The Most Holy God.that is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that. t he took upon himself all the evil and sin in the world. nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus. Mahdi Said That is simply an opinion, unless you can show me where God says that. My Reply Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2-8,9 Mahdi Said nobody's got anything to worry about then. everybody's sins have been covered by Jesus. My Reply Yes your sins are covered by Christ Jesus The Messiah provided you ask Him into your life as your Lord.
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Salaam_Erin Male Christian Groupie Joined: 30 October 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 41	Posted: 19 February 2013 at 8:45am
	The operative word in the verse which Mahdi misuses is that God could save Jesus from death, which He did not do, as He let Jesus die, but He DID rescue Him from death afterwards, through the Resurrection. The suffering delineated in Hebrews 5:8 is explained throughout the Book of Hebrews as being that of death. "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed to take away the sins of many people." (Hebrews 9:27-28) It's really bizarre seeing Hebrews being used to 'prove' that Jesus did not die according to the Bible! Also, you still have to repent fom your sins for God the Father to be prepared to count Jesus as having died in your place, or tough.
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